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post #1 of 11
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They are once again screwing the Steamboat locals but they did lower the RMSP Plus price to $439. Still not competitive with Vail Resorts products....if my daughter didn't force me to ski there with her friends who own a condo at Cooper I wouldn't be buying.
post #2 of 11
No kidding. The real bummer is that you have to buy a new pass in-person and I'm not about to fly from Alabama just to do that. The Vail resorts pass can be bought on-line which I won't buy because the people I would ski with get the other pass. Any word of this changing at some point? Even if they opened a window from between now and memorial day to buy them on-line would be nice. Why didn't they match Vail on the on-line purchase for new passes?
post #3 of 11
yep, the increase of the steamboat pass sucks... wasn't expecting a reduction in price, but an increase was a shock... especially increasing the cost of the winter park/copper add on
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post
They are once again screwing the Steamboat locals but they did lower the RMSP Plus price to $439. Still not competitive with Vail Resorts products....if my daughter didn't force me to ski there with her friends who own a condo at Cooper I wouldn't be buying.
This rant isn't directed directly at you, it's more for anyone who complains about the cost of skiing at the front range resorts. Most of those people don't read epicski.

I don't have any sympathy for people in Colorado skiing the front range resorts. You get to ski world class resorts for cheaper than any other skiing in North America. I grew up skiing in Michigan on a piece of crap hill and right now their regular season day ticket is $50. Their season pass is about the same price as a Copper pass.

You don't like Copper? Don't ski there. Go to Ski Cooper.

If you wanna know some of the background behind this, it's on purpose. Copper really doesn't want the typical whiny front range skier showing up. "Wah... the piece of pizza cost me $5. Wah... the beer is $3. Wah.. they want to charge me $8 to park at the bottom of the lift." Should the resorts make it easy for you to brown bag your lunch and make your free parking experience a joy? I don't think they have any obligation to. The folks willing to pay a few extra bucks should get a little better treatment - and that extends to all areas, including the pass prices. Yet, next weekend Copper will do a free concerts - George Clinton, P-funk, and Matisyahu - and there will still be a bunch of people bitching about how they had to pay $5 for a 24 oz. beer.

Ever been at Copper on a 13,000 skier day? It's really not that enjoyable (nor is it enjoyable at Keystone or Breckenridge.) It's much better to have 10,000 happy skiers. There was a conscious decision a year and a half ago to cut back on numbers a bit.

(Of course, it raises the question of why you don't like Copper. You seem to imply you'd rather have a KAB pass and be skiing at Keystone or Breckenridge. Do you really think they're better mountains?)

Just be glad you don't have to buy a pass for Jackson.
post #5 of 11
That's also the main reason you can ski Steamboat on a holiday weekend and not feel crowded. Besides the extra driving time from the front range, there is no cheap pass deal. Still, there are days when one can ski from the top of Storm Peak to the Priest Creek lift and not encounter ten people on the way rather than dodge a maze of people at Keystone or Breck. That alone might make it worth another $30 a day.

A Weekend Day pass here at Holiday Valley now cost $52 and a season pass is well over $600. I'd be grateful to be able to spend an extra $30 anyday.
post #6 of 11
Compare with the season pass for Boyne USA Properties:
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Boyne Unlimited:
$1,799.00 for unlimited skiing(no black outs) at all Boyne Mt Resorts, which includes:
Boyne Mt & Boyne Highlands, MI
Big Sky MT
Brighton UT
Crystal Mountain WA
Cypress Mt B C
Sugarloaf ME
Sunday River, ME
Loon Mt, NH

If I thought I'd get 1800.00 worth of skiing outside of Michigan, I'd jump on it, with all those included, but I can't see me getting to any or all of the included resorts.
THAT would be my dream Winter!


Boyne Gold:
$749 for unlimited skiing at Boyne Mt and Boyne Highlands, Michigan, Lift tickets if you lodge with them at other resorts in their family or50% off lift tickets if you don't lodge at those locations
No black outs

Boyne Silver:
$449.00
Unlimited skiing with no black outs at Boyne Highlands, MI,
Blackout dates at Boyne Mountain,
50% off lift tix for lodging guests at other family resorts.

Bronze:
$299.00
Midweek only pass at the Boynes in Michigan, with black out dates, 25% off lift tix for lodging guests at family resorts
Sort of makes the pass options for the front range, including Steamboat seem like the bargain of a lifetime.
post #7 of 11
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(Of course, it raises the question of why you don't like Copper. You seem to imply you'd rather have a KAB pass and be skiing at Keystone or Breckenridge. Do you really think they're better mountains?)


Glad the rant isn't directed right at me

This year I bought both passes....a Copper only pass to ski with my daughter and friends and a Colorado Pass to ski the areas I like better. I think we get a screaming deal in the Front Range.

So to answer your direct question I MUCH prefer the Vail resorts areas to the Intrawest areas. Both Vail and BC are much better than Copper. A-Basin is much better than Copper. I probably enjoy Copper slightly better than Breck or Keystone but not by much. I own a second home in Summit County so I am never going to make the trip to WP. I might make a day trip to the Boat if the price is right as I consider it about equal to Vail/BC just depends on snow (which of course the Boat has had an awesome year.

I am complaining mostly about the Intrawest pricing point relative to the Vail pricing point not relative to Boyne Mountain or any other area. They price as if they have premium product relative to VR and they don't. Their product is at at least marginally inferior if not more. JMHO yours may differ
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post
Glad the rant isn't directed right at me

This year I bought both passes....a Copper only pass to ski with my daughter and friends and a Colorado Pass to ski the areas I like better. I think we get a screaming deal in the Front Range.

So to answer your direct question I MUCH prefer the Vail resorts areas to the Intrawest areas. Both Vail and BC are much better than Copper. A-Basin is much better than Copper. I probably enjoy Copper slightly better than Breck or Keystone but not by much. I own a second home in Summit County so I am never going to make the trip to WP. I might make a day trip to the Boat if the price is right as I consider it about equal to Vail/BC just depends on snow (which of course the Boat has had an awesome year.

I am complaining mostly about the Intrawest pricing point relative to the Vail pricing point not relative to Boyne Mountain or any other area. They price as if they have premium product relative to VR and they don't. Their product is at at least marginally inferior if not more. JMHO yours may differ
This is why I get a season pass to Crystal Mountain Michigan for the time I spend here, and a pass for Abasin(maybe expanding that this year).
UGASkiDawg, I'll let you kick my butt around Abasin any time!
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by vinn View Post
This rant isn't directed directly at you, it's more for anyone who complains about the cost of skiing at the front range resorts. Most of those people don't read epicski.

I don't have any sympathy for people in Colorado skiing the front range resorts. You get to ski world class resorts for cheaper than any other skiing in North America. I grew up skiing in Michigan on a piece of crap hill and right now their regular season day ticket is $50. Their season pass is about the same price as a Copper pass.

You don't like Copper? Don't ski there. Go to Ski Cooper.

If you wanna know some of the background behind this, it's on purpose. Copper really doesn't want the typical whiny front range skier showing up. "Wah... the piece of pizza cost me $5. Wah... the beer is $3. Wah.. they want to charge me $8 to park at the bottom of the lift." Should the resorts make it easy for you to brown bag your lunch and make your free parking experience a joy? I don't think they have any obligation to. The folks willing to pay a few extra bucks should get a little better treatment - and that extends to all areas, including the pass prices. Yet, next weekend Copper will do a free concerts - George Clinton, P-funk, and Matisyahu - and there will still be a bunch of people bitching about how they had to pay $5 for a 24 oz. beer.

Ever been at Copper on a 13,000 skier day? It's really not that enjoyable (nor is it enjoyable at Keystone or Breckenridge.) It's much better to have 10,000 happy skiers. There was a conscious decision a year and a half ago to cut back on numbers a bit.

(Of course, it raises the question of why you don't like Copper. You seem to imply you'd rather have a KAB pass and be skiing at Keystone or Breckenridge. Do you really think they're better mountains?)

Just be glad you don't have to buy a pass for Jackson.
Thanks for that. I've been sitting here secretly pumping my fist "YES!!!" about the new Vail pass ... Copper should be half empty next season.
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post
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...I am complaining mostly about the Intrawest pricing point relative to the Vail pricing point not relative to Boyne Mountain or any other area. They price as if they have premium product relative to VR and they don't. Their product is at at least marginally inferior if not more. JMHO yours may differ
But if you back up and think about it ... really, the price difference is neglible. And when you think about Copper being so much less crowded (which it has been, as far as I can tell), that more than makes up for it. IMO, of course.
post #11 of 11
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But if you back up and think about it ... really, the price difference is neglible. And when you think about Copper being so much less crowded (which it has been, as far as I can tell), that more than makes up for it. IMO, of course.

As I said I have both passes and I haven't found any less crowded than the VR resorts. Copper is significantly packed on weekends. If you have to go through Center village you are screwed.....just like at Vail if you ski Chair 5 after 10 am you are screwed but both mountains have places that you ski right to the chair or with minimal wait. I know lots of people on here like to complain about crowds but I ski ~60 days a year in Summit or Eagle counties and I hardly ever wait in line.

Skipping the lift line issue it far easier to find fresh tracks at Vail/BC or Keystone than it is at Copper on powder day.
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