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post #61 of 85
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Thanks! I'll start checking it out!
post #62 of 85
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Yeah, get safety release. Voilé three pin with hardwire will equal the performance of any and they can save you from a blown knee. I would not base my opinion on what highly skilled skiers use because the binding is not what makes them good. It's mostly practice. Several experts at Whitetail use Voilé, although I know it's not common at other hills. Most times I go skiing, the best telemarker on the hill is using releasable.
Okay... Now you can quit being mad at me...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=130212108187

VOILE The Hardwire 3 pin CRB - anyone use these??
post #63 of 85
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Okay... Now you can quit being mad at me...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=130212108187

VOILE The Hardwire 3 pin CRB - anyone use these??
Not yet but I just mounted a pair on next year's tele ski. Started tele skiing this year for some of the same reasons noted above - make the small areas seem big, try something new, and to learn along with one of my kids who got into it. Started on a hard pack oriented ski with G3s or Rottefella (I forget which, they look just the same), but got the Hardwire CRB for a soft snow fatter ski. I never really had major falls and it is true that the free heel can give you a forward release function. BUT it sure won't help you with a rearward fall or sideways or what have you. And all it takes is getting your tip or tail caught and some weird torque going on and however unlikely that is, the downside is your knee will go. Having already blown one ACL on alpine bindings I have no interest in doing it again.

Eventually I'll go NTN but for now, it seemed like the CRB was the way to go, my impression from reading the endless releasable/nonreleasable debates on telemarktips.com is that between the Voile CRB and the ?? 7tm (I forget the maker), which are the two current releasable tele bindings, the CRB has a greater range of release directions. Plenty of people like them. Also I think you can mount additional skis with the CRB plate only, and switch the binding from ski to ski, which is a plus for gearwhores.

The releasable debate is endless and many non-releasable advocates say they'd rather risk their knee than plunging 1000 feet to their death over a cliff edge or something but that's not where I tend to ski and if I did, I'd go alpine anyway.
post #64 of 85
Axebiker

The comments are on the make. Boots, as always fit is key, so try them on. Scarpa and Garmont fit differently (lo or hi volume foot), so get a good boot fitter. I had to modify my boots, adding a booster strap and some grinding at key spots. See my following suggestions - if you want to go NTN, wait till Scarpa comes out with their new boots.

Bindings... There are changes in the tele binding world. It will take a few seasons (or more) for everything to shake out, but you might consider NTN setup. Rather than go into these bindings, go to www.telemarktips.com and read about the NTN reviews.

I am sure that you will have a blast learning how to tele ski and it will help your alpine skiing as well. Have fun, cmr
post #65 of 85
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Originally Posted by charlier View Post
Axebiker

The comments are on the make. Boots, as always fit is key, so try them on. Scarpa and Garmont fit differently (lo or hi volume foot), so get a good boot fitter. I had to modify my boots, adding a booster strap and some grinding at key spots. See my following suggestions - if you want to go NTN, wait till Scarpa comes out with their new boots.

Bindings... There are changes in the tele binding world. It will take a few seasons (or more) for everything to shake out, but you might consider NTN setup. Rather than go into these bindings, go to www.telemarktips.com and read about the NTN reviews.

I am sure that you will have a blast learning how to tele ski and it will help your alpine skiing as well. Have fun, cmr
Thanks! I'm 2/3 of the way there. Scarpa T1 boots, and Voile Hardwire CRB bindings. Now I just need some skis.
post #66 of 85
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
Okay... Now you can quit being mad at me...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=130212108187

VOILE The Hardwire 3 pin CRB - anyone use these??
Exclusively, for longer than it has been in production. Before they offered Hardwire CRB, I bought the Hardwire and put it on a 3pin CRB.

I wasn't mad, but I don't understand the reason for non-releasable ski bindings. Even my first pair of cable bindings that I used in 1962, had a safety release function.

I did use non-releasable on my first nordic downhill set-up, but that was with flexible ankle high leather boots.
post #67 of 85
The size 11 Scarpa fits 12US. They use British sizes. I alluded to this vaguely in one of a flurry of posts. I hope you caught that. I used too big Scarpas for a long time before I learned about shell sizing and Scarpa's sizing. Fortunately I was still able to ski pretty well. I wore very thick socks. Telemark is not about wearing boots two sizes too small like alpine, but one size too big is not good either.
post #68 of 85
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
The size 11 Scarpa fits 12US. They use British sizes. I alluded to this vaguely in one of a flurry of posts. I hope you caught that. I used too big Scarpas for a long time before I learned about shell sizing and Scarpa's sizing. Fortunately I was still able to ski pretty well. I wore very thick socks. Telemark is not about wearing boots two sizes too small like alpine, but one size too big is not good either.
My boots should be here Monday. I'll let you know what I think about the sizing vs. my current alpine boots.
post #69 of 85
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Got skis now...these should be plenty soft for learning.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=009

If they're decent and I want wider/more burly, I can pick up some Legend 8000's. I could beat the price though...
post #70 of 85
Yeah looks like a pretty good deal.
I know nothing about tele, but I came across these 180cm Stockli Pit Storm Lites with Bomber Tele binding on ebay. Those bindings look beautifully made from the photos but I don't know anything about that stuff.
I take it these bindings are non-releasable?

Stockli tele setup
post #71 of 85
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Yeah looks like a pretty good deal.
I know nothing about tele, but I came across these 180cm Stockli Pit Storm Lites with Bomber Tele binding on ebay. Those bindings look beautifully made from the photos but I don't know anything about that stuff.
I take it these bindings are non-releasable?
BEAUTIFUL setup! I gotta think those are more for show than anything!! Are you gonna go for it?

You are correct about the Bombers - non-releasable.
post #72 of 85
Well I doubt it. But those photos are totally unfair.:
Really, I never should have looked at this thread.
I was thinking Stockli Stormrider DP's for alpine.
I can't really afford those either right now.
I fear I'm becoming obsessed...
post #73 of 85
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Cross post from TGR:

I just picked up some HH's last week for a decent, so now I'll have two set-ups to mess around with to see which way I like it best.

I mounted the Voile's onto my Dynastars using chord center as the pin line per Voile's instructions, but to me, they look back a bit too far. I recalculated eveything using the BoF/CoRS method, and the CC mount point is back about 4.3cm from that spot BoF/CoRS calculated out to be. If I had just mounted the boot alpine center as one friend suggested, it would have been nearly spot on to BoF/CoRS. I'm not sure how much difference it'll make to be back as far as I seem to be, but I'll try it out. If it sucks, I'll bump them forward and just mount everything at alpine center, as I'll probably just be using alpine skis more often than not anyway.

Any of you guys have any thoughts one way or the other?
post #74 of 85
Mount BOF/CRS. How are you going to know whether or not that mount sucks anyway? You are a beginner. Why make it harder? Put the bindings where they are supposed to be.

I don't understand Voilé's advice, unless they want to mess up the pretenders who aren't using 210s with long elfen tips. If that's it, I say right on. Damn fake-a-markers!
post #75 of 85
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Mount BOF/CRS. How are you going to know whether or not that mount sucks anyway? You are a beginner. Why make it harder? Put the bindings where they are supposed to be.

I don't understand Voilé's advice, unless they want to mess up the pretenders who aren't using 210s with long elfen tips. If that's it, I say right on. Damn fake-a-markers!
Not sure I totally follow you here...

I'm a beginner in the tele world, but I do know how a ski is supposed to behave. Also, if the speed at which I've caught on to skiing, skating, and so on are any indication, I should be pretty proficient at it in a fairly short amount of time. By "make it harder", what are you alluding to?

Again, had I used BoF/CoRS, I would have been a couple mm +/- of alpine center anyway, basing it on boot center being from pin line to heel .
post #76 of 85
I'm not sure. It might be hard to know if the binding position is helping or hindering you before you have gained some skills and experienced a variety of skis/bindings.

Assuming the BOF/CRS and alpine center is a good place for telemark binding, then 4cm aft of that would make it harder.

There are reasonable arguments for mounting telemark bindings further back than alpine.

I think it will be much easier for you if the boot is at the alpine mark vs. pins chord center. Just my opinion. How long are the skis?
post #77 of 85
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178's for now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=190213502970

I'll probably get something longer when I get a proficient at it. I was originally thinking about 184cm, but the hills here are SO small... I'll get a longer, wider ski once I get where I comfortable doing this. I also have some HH's now, so I can mess around with bindings a bit.
post #78 of 85
I just checked the skis that I've been using for the last ten years and they are close to pins chord center, so I think you should be OK. I was probably wrong when I said it would be much easier with a more centered mount. I didn't even know my own skis were set up like that!

I only started obsessing about BOF after joining Epicski. Maybe it doesn't really matter. I tend to form strongly held opinions based on scant evidence.

The rearward position will make the skis feel a little longer in the turns. Should help prevent tip dive in powder. 178 is a good length. You're set!
post #79 of 85
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Uh oh.....you are as dangerous as me.



Depends on your criteria I guess.

............ You could get the AT rig, but there is always a trade off with weight and performance.
The pair of Dynafit Zzero Carbon TF and Dynafit Vertical FT bindings in my shed tell me that there is absolutely no weight penalty with a stiff AT set up. I cannot believe that such a light boot can be so stiff.

I am putting mine on Prior Doughboys 183cm (109 under foot) as for me it is all about the powder on the way down and whilst the climb may not be as efficient as if I was on a 75/80mm ski, it sure beats post holing to the knee caps whilst carrying an alpine set up!!
post #80 of 85
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
I just checked the skis that I've been using for the last ten years and they are close to pins chord center, so I think you should be OK. I was probably wrong when I said it would be much easier with a more centered mount. I didn't even know my own skis were set up like that!

I only started obsessing about BOF after joining Epicski. Maybe it doesn't really matter. I tend to form strongly held opinions based on scant evidence.

The rearward position will make the skis feel a little longer in the turns. Should help prevent tip dive in powder. 178 is a good length. You're set!
Knowledge is dangerous!!

I've heard from a couple people that having them back a bit should help for "carving turns"...we'll see... But when I mount up my second pair, I'll just measure them out BoF method, and put that against where alpine center is. If it's close enough, I'll just do alpine center.
post #81 of 85
BOF ugh some skis it really is wrong on, notablely volkl gotamas.
post #82 of 85
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I just had my 2nd set of skis show up today - some 177cm G3 Barons w/BD02's. Side by side with my Dyanstar/Voiles, the bind are definitely too far back on the Dynastars, so I think I'll remount them. I need to track down a template for the BD02's too, as I think I might need to mover them forward just a little bit, and I'll also need to move the heel back about 1 cm.

I'm headed down to LaCrosse, WI this weekend to pick up some 182cm G3 Tickets w/HH's, and I'll be mounting up my 183cm BD Havocs with a set of HH's as well. I guess I've dove in head first this year!! I haven' picked up ANY alpine stuff this year at this point - kinda scary...
post #83 of 85
Sounds like your all set. Have fun!
post #84 of 85
I posted a link to this in Ttips, but here you go again:
http://genuineguidegear.com/pdfs/Targa_Binding.PDF

Don't make me post it to TGR too.
post #85 of 85
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post
I posted a link to this in Ttips, but here you go again:
http://genuineguidegear.com/pdfs/Targa_Binding.PDF

Don't make me post it to TGR too.

NOOOOOO!!! The mags will make fun of me for using a paper template rather than just eyeballing it up!

Thanks, Bob! Got it - made 3 copies!
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