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Originally Posted by FergusInFrance View Post

Does this work?...I keep thinking I'd love to take out pairs of the skis I hankered after but couldn't afford when I was young, black and yellow VR17/VR27s, pre 'R' Fisher C4s etc... but all my old skis (including a similar era RC4 to yours) were worn out by the time they were retired and I'd kind of expect other people's to be much the same. Do you get anything with any life left in them on ebay?

Remember the old camber check?
These $40 Comp lV's (180cm) pass with Flying Colors!
Turns out these are more than a mogul ski....pretty stiff front and back.
Main reason I shopped for 180's is because I have other OLINs in that Legnth.
These might ski better a little longer, grab them if you see a pair!
Most Mark lV's are orange. This is the last version in Red like a Mark II VCE.
These have cracked edges too.

Edited by da-cat - 3/20/17 at 3:10pm
post #8072 of 8093
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Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
 

Are the Miller turn tables around much? They were an interesting wrinkle in the binding world.

do you mean these?  not really a turn table but very LOOK-esqe styling.  notice the funky release tab on the heel.  I did not recycle these;)

 

 

 

 

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Nice. Miller on Miller. Could you take a detail photo of the heel. The part that contacts the heel of the boot looks quite interesting. The heel actually is more akin to a modern Look SPX heel than an N17 or its successor. 

 

The cast components are a large leap from the earlier Miller version with identical toe and heel units.

 

golden holz - miller bindings.jpg

post #8074 of 8093
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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post
 

Nice. Miller on Miller. Could you take a detail photo of the heel. The part that contacts the heel of the boot looks quite interesting. The heel actually is more akin to a modern Look SPX heel than an N17 or its successor. 

 

The cast components are a large leap from the earlier Miller version with identical toe and heel units.

 

golden holz - miller bindings.jpg

That's the truth, almost looks like the heel is a cross between the SPX and N77 toe piece.

I still believe the original Miller's would be perfect for twin tips, Left, Right, Front, Back? Who cares step on it and go.

 

Forget the AFD's, I'm curious as to why one ski has flat heads and the other pan head screws, 

 

 

 

I've also wondered how many times Earl paid out the $500 for broken legs 

post #8075 of 8093

Since you needed metal attachments on your boots (I'll get a picture of them shortly) the oval metal plate between the toe and heel was probably more for support of the boot to prevent sag and to enhance boot ski contact than to reduce friction. 

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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post

Since you needed metal attachments on your boots (I'll get a picture of them shortly) the oval metal plate between the toe and heel was probably more for support of the boot to prevent sag and to enhance boot ski contact than to reduce friction. 


 


My stepdad, who taught me how to ski, had Millers on his Javelins. I remember having seen some wear on the boot plates from multiple releases that made me leery of getting those for myself. I felt that eventually the wear on the boot plates (and the bindings) would lead to glitchy releases or even a failure to release. Since everyone had leather boots with semi-flexible soles in those days, they needed to make sure the boot plates and bindings aligned properly, hence the sole plate to keep the boot level in the binding.
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Got the Disney k2 for $70 for the 2 pair, rest from @jond999. Loading up for the end of the season 😁
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I'll be honest, I forgot about the boot attachments. I feel fortunate that I never had any of those on my boots but I did sport some nice notches. 

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The magenta Heads are something I haven't seen before - tell me about?

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Originally Posted by Wolfski View Post

I'll be honest, I forgot about the boot attachments. I feel fortunate that I never had any of those on my boots but I did sport some nice notches. 

 


I think all the skis I rented that first season had Simplex toes and well-used, lace-up leather boots with really iffy-looking, worn-out notches on the toes.
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Originally Posted by Wolfski View Post
 

 

 

I've also wondered how many times Earl paid out the $500 for broken legs 

 

 

He seemed quite willing to put his body where his mouth was...

 

Go to 38:47 if auto-start doesn't take you there

 

http://www.altahistory.org/databaseshowitem.aspx?id=797


Edited by jc-ski - 3/21/17 at 11:18am
post #8082 of 8093
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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post
 

Nice. Miller on Miller. Could you take a detail photo of the heel. The part that contacts the heel of the boot looks quite interesting. The heel actually is more akin to a modern Look SPX heel than an N17 or its successor. 

 

The cast components are a large leap from the earlier Miller version with identical toe and heel units.

Here you go. MILLER M500 ski bindings.  There is no Forward pressure spring tension mechanism so far more primitive than a modern LOOK heel.  and it seems to me the rollers on the toes are set the wrong way.  the "roller" effect would be useless in this configuration. also the internals are not as good as the LOOK nevada.  it is a ball and groove so the Cam action is very abrupt with little elasticity.   IMO the LOOK plunger on cam is a far superior mech.

 

 

 

post #8083 of 8093
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Originally Posted by royal View Post

 There is no Forward pressure spring tension mechanism so far more primitive than a modern LOOK heel.  and it seems to me the rollers on the toes are set the wrong way.  the "roller" effect would be useless in this configuration. also the internals are not as good as the LOOK nevada.  it is a ball and groove so the Cam action is very abrupt with little elasticity.  

In the context of the picture in @Wolfski s post I should almost think the toe rollers are not for mode 2 or 3 but rather for mode 1- upwards toe release. Obviously the heel is incapable of mode 6 or 7 so the "ten angles of release" does not apply. Still I wonder if Miller ever planned upwards toe release for the M500.

Oh and I wonder if elasticity native to leather boots ever entered the calculation.
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Does riding a bike with fat tires make you a better biker ?

-POLSKI-

Absolutely, if your riding all winter when everyone else is sitting on the couch.
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In other news...




I'm thinking I will enjoy these Mark lV's as much as the Vacuums!

I had the 205 Vacuums with MRR's
post #8085 of 8093
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Originally Posted by royal View Post
 

do you mean these?  not really a turn table but very LOOK-esqe styling.  notice the funky release tab on the heel.  I did not recycle these;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those are a very interesting binding, but not the old Miller turn table model I was thinking of.

 

These thing came out n the 60's and were not a true turn table, but were designed along the lines of the Marker and Look versions with a Miller twist. The heels were based on using a long thong, and had a "plate" that fit snugly over the sidewalls of the ski with some  type of an adjustable ball and spring system that allowed for a forward release. Miller wanted you to use their spring toe pieces with them. It gave a forward release but sacrificed any twisting heel release and still required a run-away strap. They were chrome like the Marker.  My sister was using them around 65 while going to school at UT State and teaching at Beaver Mt.

 

I only recall seeing a few pairs of them, and none went on any of my skis.

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In the context of the picture in @Wolfski s post I should almost think the toe rollers are not for mode 2 or 3 but rather for mode 1- upwards toe release. Obviously the heel is incapable of mode 6 or 7 so the "ten angles of release" does not apply. Still I wonder if Miller ever planned upwards toe release for the M500.

Oh and I wonder if elasticity native to leather boots ever entered the calculation.

there is no upwards toe release with these bindings.  and leather boots were probably not a consideration as these came out about 1978 if I remember correctly.

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Tip stands remember doing those on 210's. biggrin.gif
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Bogner has some other interesting vids here...

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/bognerinternational/videos

 

Including these two...

 

 

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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

Tip stands remember doing those on 210's. biggrin.gif

Yup, than a bounce and a front flip off them.

 

I broke a beautiful pair of Kerma's learning that one.

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The magenta Heads are something I haven't seen before - tell me about?

Follow up to the white sl. Really pink with lots of gold sparkles. I have been waiting for the Tyrolia Calgary bindings for a while now to put this set up together.
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Vintage Ski Racing, Harriman Cup

 

 

Ton of vintage ski vids here...

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvGPNfvmancVT4UimLNnDCg/videos

 

 

How many familiar faces can you spot here...

 

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The magenta Heads are something I haven't seen before - tell me about?

Follow up to the white sl. Really pink with lots of gold sparkles. I have been waiting for the Tyrolia Calgary bindings for a while now to put this set up together.

 

I know of a thrift with some Calgarys if you like spares?

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