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post #4381 of 6418
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My husband would not approve. biggrin.gif



It does bring a whole new meaning to "finger painting"  biggrin.gif

post #4382 of 6418

Doesn't that just make you want to fondle a pair of skis.  

 

 

 

 

post #4383 of 6418

A recent find.  I was hoping for a little less 'patina', but I'm not complaining too much:

 

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post #4384 of 6418

Billy Kidd and Suzy Chaffee ski in Iran, 1978

 

 

Curious about something...when I watch some of the old school skiers it looks like they're using really long poles, as the handles seem to be up around their shoulders, but upon closer inspection it appears they're actually skiing pretty deeply bent at the knees for the most part...

 

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If you watch the 7-8 seconds of video starting at 2:35 you see Kidd skiing from a side view, and although he's flexing to absorb bumps along the way he's consistently staying seated pretty low.

 

If you stay balanced fore-aft you can bend at the knees and still stay pretty much "stacked" and avoid burning out your quads, but what's the deal with skiing in a kind of "seated" position like that? 

 

 


Edited by jc-ski - 3/29/12 at 6:40pm
post #4385 of 6418
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Originally Posted by CJE911 View Post

A recent find.  I was hoping for a little less 'patina', but I'm not complaining too much:

 

Marker M30 SRR 182600.jpg

 

Marker M30 SRR 182621.jpg

 

Marker M4 15 182633.jpg



710's in the background. 

 

Those are the first M4-15's I saw that were DIN..hmmm

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Yeah, these are a bit of a mystery.  They came mounted on the 'wrong' skis - a pair of 83ish Olin Racing Comp SLs.   And I'm not completely clear yet on when the M4-15 toe & M30 SRR heel was sold together - I'm thinking 1978-80.  I do know the M30 SR toe came out in 1981.  In any event, they are going on the lightly used 710's after some cleanup. 

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Yeah, these are a bit of a mystery.  They came mounted on the 'wrong' skis - a pair of 83ish Olin Racing Comp SLs.   And I'm not completely clear yet on when the M4-15 toe & M30 SRR heel was sold together - I'm thinking 1978-80.  I do know the M30 SR toe came out in 1981.  In any event, they are going on the lightly used 710's after some cleanup. 

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In that era Marker toes and heels came packages separately, it wasn't uncommon to get product mixed. 

 

I agree the M4-15 belongs on the 710's (M30's are shown in the 910's)

 

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post #4388 of 6418

That's about the oldest integrated brake I've seen on a SRR?  They usually had a rectangular spring loaded one under the mid sole?

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910s.  One of my many Holy Grails.  The search continues biggrin.gif

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Mackrun who is a poster here in this thread has some of those listings. 

 

Also, please consider some 'Ebay Etiquette" here: 

 

 

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You may post your own Ebay auction to notify members or a "Buy it Now" auction of general interest. Please don't post other auctions because you might be posting an auction that a fellow Bear is planning to snipe/snag (unless it is your auction).

 

post #4392 of 6418
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Those are the first M4-15's I saw that were DIN..hmmm



Yeah, My set has the M30 toes

 

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post #4393 of 6418

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Trekchick...paging Trekchick to the white courtesy phone.

 


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My husband would not approve. biggrin.gif


Not sure what he's saying but LMAO...inside joke...Whatever. No doubt the amusement had more to do with seeing Treckchick interviewing Annie from Volkl and looking at her face at the end (it's actually at the beginning when the clip resets), imagining a response to seeing Annie's head drop off of her shoulders and roll down the isles of SIA like a bowling ball while excusing herself to TreckChick as she runs to retrieve and reattach it:\

Seriously, the Allura, Charisma, Viola, etc line looks like it jumped off a box of tampons, and well that Annie who likes it stiff in the shovel soft in the tail...afflicted with Steve Buscemi eye envy...i leave the rest to your imaginations. 

 

post #4394 of 6418

Take a few minute online survey and get a link to download Warren Miller's 1969 film "Spring into Skiing".

 

Did this earlier today. Film is in Quicktime (MOV) format, and is a little over 1 gig, so can take a while to download.

 

MILLER.jpg

 

I've only watched a little of it so far, but near the beginning there's a several minute segment of Corky Fowler skiing and getting airs that's pretty damn good!

 

 

 

 


Edited by jc-ski - 3/31/12 at 2:52pm
post #4395 of 6418

Little more info on "Spring into Skiing". ~18 minute runtime. Warren Miller production, but someone else narrates. Separate segments with Corky Fowler, Pepi Stiegler, Roger Staub, Art Furrer, and one other skier whose name I missed. Mammoth, Vail, Tuckerman's, deep powder, big airs, ballet moves, etc. Great time capsule!

 

Really am curious as per post 4384 above about the "seated" skiing, which pretty much describes the way all these guys ski for the most part. Was it a style choice, or driven more by functional benefit? (Lower COM, keeping tips up?) If this has been discussed thoroughly in another thread would appreciate a pointer, otherwise insight from someone who knows would be appreciated.

post #4396 of 6418

hello , I have build an ski museum in FRANCE // Val d'Isere and I'm looking for spaceman bindings....anyone that sells them vintage ??

best regards

pim

73sakura@wanadoo.fr

 

post #4397 of 6418
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hello , I have build an ski museum in FRANCE // Val d'Isere and I'm looking for spaceman bindings....anyone that sells them vintage ??

best regards

pim

73sakura@wanadoo.fr

 



Do you mean SPADEMAN? If so, they can be found on EBAY from time to time.

 

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post #4398 of 6418
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 Dolomite Secret Weapon  eek.gif

 

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speaking of spademans, here are some gems I got at  the local thrift store.  the skis are Hart Hornets Giant Slalom in a 175.    too bad I sold off the butterflys I had.wink.gif  Anyone seen brakes on Nevadas this early?  Is this a franken binding?  I haven't measured yet, but it may have negative Deltaeek.gif.  Also some cool information on the ALU ST.  they don't publish info like this anymore.

 

Royal

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post #4400 of 6418
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speaking of spademans, here are some gems I got at  the local thrift store.  the skis are Hart Hornets Giant Slalom in a 175.    too bad I sold off the butterflys I had.wink.gif  Anyone seen brakes on Nevadas this early?  Is this a franken binding?  I haven't measured yet, but it may have negative Deltaeek.gif.  Also some cool information on the ALU ST.  they don't publish info like this anymore.

 

Royal

 

 

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Royal

 

This was a Look offered retrofit kit to use one the earlier Nevada toes. Actually fairly rare to find...I have two pairs of skis with them (V17 and ST650)

 


Edited by Rossi Smash - 4/1/12 at 10:56am
post #4401 of 6418
I am loving all those skis. My first modern ski was a hornet. Alus were hot, a precursor to the C4. The 550 is gorgeous.
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jc-ski, thanks for the link to the WM video. DL took awhile, but successful, and looking forward to watching. In regards to "seated skiing", bent knees increases rotational force, but further elaboration from experts is warranted.

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I was skiing my 204 RD Bad Dogs on Sunday and noticed I was skiing with a lot more bend in my knees and ankles. I was insuring adequate pressure on the front of the skis by driving hard into the front of my boots and as a result also bending my knees a bit more to keep my COM from getting too far forward. This might appear as a seated position. If I didn't pressure the tongue, the ski would just track away from the turns.

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jc-ski, thanks for the link to the WM video. DL took awhile, but successful, and looking forward to watching. In regards to "seated skiing", bent knees increases rotational force, but further elaboration from experts is warranted.


Glad you were able to get it. I started my download and went out to run some errands - probably took 2-3 hours, but was well worth it. All the skiers featured are so fluid and masterful!  

 

And it appears we have that elaboration!  smile.gif

 

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I was skiing my 204 RD Bad Dogs on Sunday and noticed I was skiing with a lot more bend in my knees and ankles. I was insuring adequate pressure on the front of the skis by driving hard into the front of my boots and as a result also bending my knees a bit more to keep my COM from getting too far forward. This might appear as a seated position. If I didn't pressure the tongue, the ski would just track away from the turns.


Appreciate you sharing your insight. Guess it is a case of functionality driving form. Curious, did you feel like you were working your quads more than normal by skiing that way? Or was it just a different balance point?

 

Have a friend, native of Colorado, who grew up learning to ski in the 50's and 60's, taught by his German Dad, and informed by his skiing idols of the day - Stein, Kidd, Killy, etc. He still skis in that kind of low, "seated" style, with skis close together, and arms wide and way out front. Very smooth skier, comfortable all over the mountain. Fun to watch, and try to follow.  ;-)

 

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 If I didn't pressure the tongue, the ski would just track away from the turns.



Remember the "Lange Bang"?---stress fractured shins from all the forward pressure we needed.

 

I still prefer skis that let me pressure the front without hooking.

 

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Appreciate you sharing your insight. Guess it is a case of functionality driving form. Curious, did you feel like you were working your quads more than normal by skiing that way? Or was it just a different balance point?

 

I didn't ski all day with them but I wasn't noticing any strain or tiring. My COM was still over my feet, so I was stacked, just using a little more muscle.

post #4407 of 6418

What I saw in the video was a highly flexed position through the turn in anticipation of an aggressive extension to unweight the tails of the skis at turn initiation.  Edge change occurs with the tails are unweighted or even off the snow, after which the skis are steered through a skidded turn.  One veteran skier said the method with leather boots was to "pop the tails loose, toss 'em in the new direction and let 'em skid".

 

 

post #4408 of 6418

I thought this was an interesting binding configuration on a pair of Tyrolia "Megacomp SL":

 

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Rental toepiece, standard heel.

 

And the toepiece has an asymetrical three hole pattern with a plate that requires 5/16" holes to a depth of 1/4" followed by another 1/4" of drilling for standard binding screws.

 

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(Plate is upside-down)

 

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Haven't seen this flavor of binding design before.

 

Sadly, one ski is very bent, so they go into the "fence material" pile. Probably explains whey they were abandoned at a ski area......

 

 

 

 

post #4409 of 6418

Strato's are ready!

 

Just finished flat filing and edge tuning this fine pair of Rossignol Stratos, 200cm, with the ever popular Salomon 555 binding. (My setting on this pre-DIN binding is "3".)

 

Another thrift shop find, may compete with "The Ski" for closing day.

 

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Those ^^^ are some nice looking skis!  icon14.gif

 

Much nicer than these...

 

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Another storage clearing I happened upon. Figured I'd snag em for some future project - adirondack chair, etc.

 

K2 Freestyle - Look 69 Bindings

K2 Hawk - Tyrolia 360 Bindings
K2 655 - Salomon 647 Bindings
Elan Sport CR 665 - Marker M27 Bindings
 
All 170-175cm range. Anything interesting there?
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