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08/09 Icelantic Nomad 181

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Skied the Nomad 181on 3/27/08. Variable conditions (Everything from dust on crust, soft groomed to knee deep), Tail is a little soft which helped it come around in the chute nicely. But overall it's pretty close to a 1 quiver ski. The only exception would be ice or serious hard pack. It was phenomenal in the open bowls as expected but where it shown was in the tight trees and chutes. The thing initiates a turn without effort, and turns on a dime. I did a couple GS runs on it down the soft groomed and was surprised at how well it holds an edge. It had good energy from turn to turn, held a line and laid down some serious trench. All in all, I'm pretty impressed but will wait to purchase until I can ski the 184 shaman this weekend. I think if the Nomad was available in a 186 or 188 I could ski it off the shelf without any adjustment. At the 181, it could be a great ski but would take a day or two to adjust to the short length (I'm on a 193 Stockli Stormrider DP Pro right now), especially when airing it out and sticking the landing. It was a little shaking when burning down the cat track, but with a decent tune and a tweak on the bindings I think I could remedy that problem, but it carves nice, turns easily, and as expected floats well. All in all I'm pretty stoked and would ski it over a Mantra or LP any day. I'd like to ski it against the Super Mojo 105 too.
post #2 of 19
nice reveiw, What are the dims on the 09?
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
Dims are 130-105-110. I'm seeing a lot of folks bagging on the short lengths. I was a skeptic too, especially when skiing the older, shorter Nomads. I'm 5'10 185lbs, agressive expert skiing a 193 Stockli DP Pro. I've always liked a longer ski. The dimensions are killer and the ski rips. I would still prefer it in a 186-193 but at 181 it still rips over anything else on the market at this point, even in longer lengths.
post #4 of 19

Icelantic Nomad vrs Gottama

I'd be interested on how the Icelantic Nomad 181cm
would compare to a Volkl Gotama 183cm.

Tom
post #5 of 19
My dealer demo 08/09 181 Nomads that were shipped end March are 112mm underfoot. Anna from Icelantic came over to Val Thorens for our ski test at the end of April & I asked her whether it would go into production at 112mm or reduce to 105mm like the existing shorter lengths. She siad that it would stay at 112mm however the new 08/09 Icelantic brochure says it's 105mm. Go figure!
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by t1henderson View Post
I'd be interested on how the Icelantic Nomad 181cm would compare to a Volkl Gotama 183cm. Tom
I haven't tried the latest Gotama & it's been a long time since I was on one of the earlier models but I've had a few through my workshop. From memory I'd say the Gotama is a bit softer in the tip & will ski shorter than the Nomad due to it's long nose. Again from memory I'd also say that the Nomad is torsionally stiffer so should be better on hardpack. The Icelantic's all have excellent build quality/durability & the new Nomad is no different.

I skied the 181 Nomad in VT for a couple of days & thought it was relatively forgiving being slightly softer than the 187 High Society FR's that I was on for the rest of the week. Most people at our test preferred the new 184 Shaman over the 181 Nomad but the typical spring conditions & heavy variable snow ideally suited the 'blast through anything' Shaman's.
post #7 of 19
I'd expect the Nomads to be turnier.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
I'd expect the Nomads to be turnier.
Definately. And they seemer turnier than their 19m suggests.
post #9 of 19
I thought it was the Nomads that were 105mm and the Shaman that is 112mm...
post #10 of 19
I'm suprised Icelantic and Atomic can legally co-exisit with the same model-name: Nomad. Normally, that's the stuff lawyer dreams are made of.

The Nomads sound close in measurement to the Gotama's.

However, a radius of 19 meters sounds wrong - that's a GS cut.

The Goats have measurments of 133-105-124 at 183 cm, for a radius of 25.9 meters.

With the same waist, the Nomads have less flare in the tip and tail, meaning their radius must be higher than the Gotamas.

Perhaps they're 29 meters. Definitely not 19 meters.
post #11 of 19
Captain, the dimensions for the two shorter Nomads are spec'd at 140-105-130. And with radii at 14 and 17 respectively.

I've skied both, as well as the goats. Both carve, much, much tighter turns than the goats.

Unless Icelantic has done something very strange with the 181s, they should land at about that 19m range described above. And I'd expect them, like their siblings, to have a much tighter carving "feel" - and a noticeably smaller real turning radius - than the Gotamas.
post #12 of 19
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Captain, the dimensions for the two shorter Nomads are spec'd at 140-105-130. And with radii at 14 and 17 respectively.

I've skied both, as well as the goats. Both carve, much, much tighter turns than the goats.

Unless Icelantic has done something very strange with the 181s, they should land at about that 19m range described above. And I'd expect them, like their siblings, to have a much tighter carving "feel" - and a noticeably smaller real turning radius - than the Gotamas.
I've no doubts regarding your experience.

But, on the 181's, the math doesn't add up. If the Nomad's waist is the same as the 183 cm Goats at 105 mm, and has lesser flair on tip and tail (130 vs 133 and 110 vs 124), the Nomad must have a larger radius, because its shallower curve creates a bigger circle.

Of course, length also plays a role. But, at 181 vs. 183 cm, the lengths are close enough that it shouldn't make too much of a difference.

The larger flares on the shorter Nomads you mentioned above could very well result in the smaller radii.
post #13 of 19
Spin & Capt, You're talking past each other and I'm guessing the OP got the dimensions wrong in his reply.
Icelantic's Website lists the Nomad at 140-105-130;
The Shaman comes in wider-tipped at 160-110-130.
These are 07-08 specs; nothing on the site yet for 08-09, but I saw a handout a few weeks ago at a ski shop here and I seem to remember the specs are pretty close to those numbers.
http://www.icelanticboards.com/
post #14 of 19
My 08/09 181cm Nomads are definately 112mm at the waist. I'm sitting looking at them now & have just measured them again.

I've posted this before: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...celantic+Nomad See my post #10 & the waist dimension was then confirmed by schussboelie when he got his skis.

The skis I have measure up as follows:
Published length: 181cm
Overall length: 1790mm
Cord length: 1825mm
Max tip: 146mm
Min waist: 112mm
Max tail: 136mm
Effective edge: 1482mm
Turn radius: Not stated on the ski.

As you can see it's really a 146-112-136! And this is the ski that Anna from the factory (their Export Mgr) said would be the production model. Time will tell.

However I've got a pdf of the 08/09 Icelantic catalogue & it lists the 181cm Nomad as 140-105-130 with a 19m radius. And the ski definately skis like a 19m ski or less.

The new 184cm Shaman is listed as 160-110-130 with an 18m radius.

Icelantic's philosophy is make very turny skis.

I'd be pleased to send the 08/09 catalogue it to anyone who pm's me their email address.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by spyderjon View Post

As you can see it's really a 146-112-136! And this is the ski that Anna from the factory (their Export Mgr) said would be the production model. Time will tell.

However I've got a pdf of the 08/09 Icelantic catalogue & it lists the 181cm Nomad as 140-105-130 with a 19m radius. And the ski definately skis like a 19m ski or less.
Well, that's a horse of a different feather , and a huge difference.

If the dims are indeed either 146-112-136, like yours, or 140-105-130 as indicated in the catalog, then a 19 meter sidecut makes sense.

The dims posted by jib4pow would indicate a sidecut closer to 30 meters.

A pow ski with a 19 meter cut would make it the "Atomic Metron" of the category. This could be a great thing for some, and a dubious one for others.

I've always preferred moderate sidecuts on pow skis, due to the tendency of aggressive cuts to hook at speed in deep snow.

Carving skis benefit from more sidecut due to the 2D surface of hard snow. However, powder skis operate in 3 dimensions - deep snow - where the vertical bend of the ski adds substantially to the curvature. Combine this vertical bend with a 19 meter cut, and you have a verrry curvy ski.

Of course, this is all theory. Only skiing reveals reality. In view of the positive posts above, perhaps Nomad has implemented innovations allowing aggressive cuts to perform well at speed in deep snow.
post #16 of 19
it really ski powder very well. I recently had them in over 2 feet and loved them (see picture!). They don't ski like a Metron, they are quite happy straight lining or making any shape turn. IMHO, the 181 was created as more of a marketing thing due to consumer resistance to the shortness of the ski.
post #17 of 19
Sooo then if you only could have one ski what would it be? The Gotama,line prophit 100, or the Icelantic Nomad? Thats whats been driving me nuts this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im trying to buy a new one quiver with dukes and cant demo any of these but they seem to be the ones to buy. its just what one! Im 220 expert ex freestyler AND Slolom racer. im taking the patrolers course also but want max versitility. I have other skis but tend to always pick the newest ones to ski on. im leaning toward the prophit or Goats. The mantra was on my list but the goats seem better all round. The rossi S5 was on there also and hart the one but not many reviews yet on these ones. I could go Jetster but like the versatility of AT plus the boot hight for levage. Always had risers on my past skis mid fat or narrow. Any thoughts on best suited from ice to powder and every thing inbetween?
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by whipper View Post
Sooo then if you only could have one ski what would it be? The Gotama,line prophit 100, or the Icelantic Nomad? Thats whats been driving me nuts this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im trying to buy a new one quiver with dukes and cant demo any of these but they seem to be the ones to buy. its just what one! Im 220 expert ex freestyler AND Slolom racer. im taking the patrolers course also but want max versitility. I have other skis but tend to always pick the newest ones to ski on. im leaning toward the prophit or Goats. The mantra was on my list but the goats seem better all round. The rossi S5 was on there also and hart the one but not many reviews yet on these ones. I could go Jetster but like the versatility of AT plus the boot hight for levage. Always had risers on my past skis mid fat or narrow. Any thoughts on best suited from ice to powder and every thing inbetween?
Rather than pick-up this old thread (May 2008), why not start a new one with this question? It's a worthy inquiry.

Of course, it depends upon where you ski. Here in CO, with a quiver of 5, I'd choose my Gotama's if I could only keep one pair.
post #19 of 19
OK i will.
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