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Does anyone use the non ID liner in Krypt Pro?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I just ordered a pair of Kryp Pros which come with the non-ID liner. Read lots about these boots before pulling the trigger. Most of the liner discussion focuses on silver vs gold, not ID vs non-ID. So is the ID liner a must have? For those of you that have used non ID and the silver, whats the diff? Do the liners affect the actual fit of the boot? Any other observations are most welcome. Thanks. David
post #2 of 21
Based on my experience with the Kryp Pros, and comments on this board, the boots seem to be designed to be used with the stock liners because if you "upgrade" to the IDs it significantly stiffens the flex. If you can exchange the stock ones and upgrade to the IDs now for a slight fee it is probably a good idea, since the fit is definitely better. If that is not an option then ski the stocks and see what you think. Because of the large amount of flex this boot has the liner fit is probably a little more important than with many other boots, but alot of people don't seem to have any problems with the stock liners.

If you do a search here you'll find lots of info on the difference between the gold and silver ID liners. Different density foam, gold may give better skiing and silver more comfortable fit. Gold stiffens the flex more than the silvers.
post #3 of 21
For grins, I tried on the Krypton Pro with stock liner this year. I tried it based on the suggestion of the only bootfitter that I'll buy from. He knows my fit and thought it would be good for me to feel the boot even though I don't need a new boot at this time. The heel hold was incredible. It was very snug (and I mean very) across the fore foot area. It is a boot I would have bought on the spot if I needed one. And the BSL was only 2mm different than my current boot. Only a slight adjustment to my bindings would be necessary. It is on my radar for next year.

I asked about the ID liner and he said in his opinion that it should only be considered if the person has extreme fit problems or if the person is going to be skiing extensively in extreme cold (-20 or colder) for extended periods of time. He said he saw a number of those liners on his last heli trip and it was for protection from the cold.

I'm sure there are others who have a different opinion but his is one I trust.
post #4 of 21
Interesting thoughts, but after using an intuition powerwrap in my nordica beasts and the gold ID liner in the Kryptons, I don't want to ever use a standard liner again.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Really appreciate the replies. I will definitely ski the stock liners. I have read what has been written about the ID liner. Perhaps these enthusiasts are just a more vocal bunch. One could get the impression (as I did) that these boots are not truly "fulfilled" unless your footsies are in an ID.
post #6 of 21
I think there were some problems with the stock liners on the original Kryps, but at this point they are as good as the stock liners on any other top line boot, it's just that the Intuitions are a very sweet warm fit, but you have to pay for it. The boots should perform fine with the stock liners, and after starting with those and going to the Gold ID liners I miss the way the boots flexed with the stock ones. IMO the way the middle buckle/dual cable works on the Kryps you get heel hold and fit better than most other boots regardless of the lines.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
Really appreciate the replies. I will definitely ski the stock liners. I have read what has been written about the ID liner. Perhaps these enthusiasts are just a more vocal bunch. One could get the impression (as I did) that these boots are not truly "fulfilled" unless your footsies are in an ID.
I'll try mine out sometime with the normal liner just to see what the fuss is all about. I'll report back - next year...
post #8 of 21
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I'll try mine out sometime with the normal liner just to see what the fuss is all about. I'll report back - next year...
Hey, Chris, remember what I told you about those huge snow piles in the WalMart parking lot just waitng for ya? Why wait till next year when you can have first tracks today.
David
post #9 of 21
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Hey, Chris, remember what I told you about those huge snow piles in the WalMart parking lot just waitng for ya? Why wait till next year when you can have first tracks today.
David
GONE. :
post #10 of 21
ID and ID only.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
ID and ID only.
Why and why only.
post #12 of 21
Phil is the resident Dalbello Pimp/Expert. If anyone knows...
post #13 of 21
Yeah, and I think he gets his Kryptons and ID liners for free.
post #14 of 21
I've skied the stock liners for 3 seasons and they work just fine. I have probably on the order of 60 days on the stocks and they haven't packed out very much at all.

I just picked up a new pair of stock liners to go along with the extra buckles/tongue I already have which should keep me in these boots for 4 more seasons and hopefully more.

While it can certainly be said that there are benefits to the ID(warmth and ability to re-mold being the most talked about), The stocks have worked fine for me FWIW.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
ID and ID only.
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
Why and why only.
1. Warmth, the ID Liner is warmer than the stock liner
2. Weight, it is lighter than the stick liner
3. Fit, You will get a perfect mold of YOUR foot

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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
Phil is the resident Dalbello Pimp/Expert. If anyone knows...
I'm blushing

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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Yeah, and I think he gets his Kryptons and ID liners for free.
Yeah, but I would pay for them before I got free boots from someone else.
post #16 of 21
I thought those shrunk on you!
post #17 of 21
My 2 cents... I was very concerned when I first bought mine (06/07 model) without the ID liner. And I ski mostly in -15degC areas.

After ~10 days on them, I can say that I have no issue with them both from fit & warmth perspective. On -25 degC or colder days, I can see wanting a slightly warmer liner, but my toes have never felt frozen or unbearable cold.

The liner did pack out just a tad, but I still have lots of room to tighten the buckles (mostly 1 notch).
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post
I thought those shrunk on you!
I am using the Silvers now.
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
Phil, thanks for yours, and to you guys who are skiing the stock liners. If I can get the right fit with the stocks, I'll use them . As for warmth, my feet were born in Maine. I regularly ski in below zero temps and wind chills, and I now ski in a pair of Tecnica plugs with the thin leather Dobie liner - with duct tape to keep out the snow. I thnk the stock Krypt liners will be heating pads compared to these.
If I want the ID liners where would you get them. I did not find anything online.
Tx
David
post #20 of 21
David,

Just contact your local Dalbello dealer and get the ID liner made especially for the Kryp. They should be able to hook you up. They aren't cheap, but IMHO, worth it. A little brutal when new, but oce you get them broken in a bit, you can't beat them.
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
David,

Just contact your local Dalbello dealer and get the ID liner made especially for the Kryp. They should be able to hook you up. They aren't cheap, but IMHO, worth it. A little brutal when new, but oce you get them broken in a bit, you can't beat them.
Chris, will first satisfy my curiosity with the stocks and go from there. Be well.
David
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