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Look/Rossignol Bindings

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Since Rossignol had to go and change the most important feature of the 40 year old look bindings, the horizontal heel release, I'm not interested in buying any of their new stuff; which has been reduced to a cylindrical step-in binding. I was wondering if anyone out there in forum land had a pair of Look/Rossi pivot bindings or even the late nineties FK's with the swivel feature that was in good shape that they would like to sell?
Thanks,

DrunkenFrenchman
post #2 of 22
I haven't had any problems with the current style Look/Rossi bindings and I've had three pair. The older turn table heel pieces are a different story in my opinion. I suffered a serious injury because they always wanted to pre-release, I even adjusting the DIN higher than recommended.
post #3 of 22
As an old firm believer in the turntable heel myself, you basically have to go with the technical data that shows there was no advantage to the old design.

That being said I am now mainly on Salomon's.

I do have an old pair sitting on some Atomic Beta Carve 928's you could have for free if you want.
post #4 of 22
The traditional Look/Rossi heel that went away in 2005/2006 sell for a premium these days. Good deals can be found on used bindings but I recently paid 200.00 ea for two pair of 140's. The present design is prone to breaking with heavy use, especially park skiing. My son has broke two pair this season and one last season. I've seen the heel track break as well as the rear plastic brackets that screw down to hold the heel on the ski. The toe is unchanged and still offers excellent hold with an extra margin of safety with the slight up/diagonal rotational release. I won't buy any of the new Rossignol bindings and as far as the "older" models being prone to pre release...only if forward pressure was not adjusted properly. Raising the DIN is not the solution. Going way back to the full swivel heel of the Look bindings, I couldn't say. But the more recent pivot heel binding was a rock solid well built reliable design that Look/Rossi never should have changed.
post #5 of 22
I have an absolutely mint pair of FKS 185 wide brake I'll sell... for the right price.

The right price is north of $250... how much do YOU believe in the TT design, money talks.
post #6 of 22
Do NOT let anyone tell you $200+ is a fair price for pivot bindings, unless they are the factory wide brake ones NIB, and then maybe.

I've found several pairs of p18s recently for $140-$160.

I will not be getting rid of any of my pairs.


I heard a rumor of some of the pros demanding look bring back the p18s as a pro model. That would be cool.
post #7 of 22
http://www.levelninesports.com/look-...gs-p-2163.html

Here's a set of 2005 p12 binders on demo rails. $80.
post #8 of 22
P series bindings are not turntables.
post #9 of 22
I've got a pair of TT8.0's in really good condition...How much they worth to you?
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Bobatt View Post
http://www.levelninesports.com/look-...gs-p-2163.html

Here's a set of 2005 p12 binders on demo rails. $80.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one...
post #11 of 22
Look is in the process of re-purchasing Look / Rossi from QuickSilver, so maybe a retro TT might be in the making. Rossi/Look is sucking wind since the QS purchase – sales down 25% last year and debt doubled since the purchase according to an article I read. The report was that as soon as financing (private) is in place, Look should be back in the ski business. Very costly lesson in winter sports for QS.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hey Deemo,

What brand (Look or Rossignol) and model number do you have on the Beta Carve 928s? What kind of shape are they in and what is the DIN range? I actually use a pair of Rossignol FK's Composites right now and the only reason I'm considering replacing them is that my edges have grinded down the adjustable side screw/bars on the rear binding, the rest of the set works fine because there aren't many moving parts to these things.
Sorry for the late reply, I have to work to afford my ski habit.

DrunkenFrenchman
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sage1 View Post
The traditional Look/Rossi heel that went away in 2005/2006 sell for a premium these days. Good deals can be found on used bindings but I recently paid 200.00 ea for two pair of 140's. The present design is prone to breaking with heavy use, especially park skiing. My son has broke two pair this season and one last season. I've seen the heel track break as well as the rear plastic brackets that screw down to hold the heel on the ski. The toe is unchanged and still offers excellent hold with an extra margin of safety with the slight up/diagonal rotational release. I won't buy any of the new Rossignol bindings and as far as the "older" models being prone to pre release...only if forward pressure was not adjusted properly. Raising the DIN is not the solution. Going way back to the full swivel heel of the Look bindings, I couldn't say. But the more recent pivot heel binding was a rock solid well built reliable design that Look/Rossi never should have changed.
The two pair Rossignol 140's I bought for 200 ea. were new in box and did come with the std and a pair of wide brakes. I thought this was top dollar but in the long run if they prevent an injury, it's money well spent.
post #14 of 22
I have a pair of used Axial 140's that I'll sell for $100.

I'd actually looking for a PX15 or PX18 Maxflex.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
P series bindings are not turntables.
Explain? My P18's and FKS 185's (same binders) are certainly turntables.
post #16 of 22
I should have been more clear, the Pivot bindings and PX bindings aren't turntables. The P18 and FKS 185 bindings are turntables but they were never consumer bindings.
post #17 of 22
I love old Looks, but maybe you're haring after the wrong brand. You can buy a pair of new Marker MRR's any number of places that are 1) a comparable but anatomically better design than the Look heel, 2) a true turntable, 3) absolutely bombproof after being used for several decades of racing, and 4) are the easiest heel made to get back into because you don't need to step down. Which can be tough on a very steep or very powdery slope.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
I should have been more clear, the Pivot bindings and PX bindings aren't turntables. The P18 and FKS 185 bindings are turntables but they were never consumer bindings.
Please excuse my ignorance.

PX bindings are obviously not turntables, but I don't understand what disqualifies Pivots (e.g. P10) from being turntables. The heel rotates from side to side on a turntable, so......

The main difference between Pivots and e.g. P18 WC/FKS185 seems to me to be in the side arm construction - the Pivots have a fixed arm whereas the "real deal" are hinged.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one...
OK, I'll bite. Were the demo bindings linked to above at Level Nine any good?
post #20 of 22
They're fine. I mounted some on an extra pair of Dynastar 8k's for friends and family and there were no complaints, but some appropriate releases.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post
PX bindings are obviously not turntables, but I don't understand what disqualifies Pivots (e.g. P10) from being turntables.
Nothing important.
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Originally Posted by beyond
Marker MRR's

.....

absolutely bombproof
hahahaha.
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Originally Posted by OP
I'm considering replacing them is that my edges have grinded down the adjustable side screw/bars on the rear binding
You are doing it wrong. Really wrong.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by skinnydog View Post
OK, I'll bite. Were the demo bindings linked to above at Level Nine any good?
They're fine, but as far from turntables as you can get.
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