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Binding Manufactuer Loyalties ?

Poll Results: Prefered Binding Brand?

Poll expired: Apr 6, 2008  
  • 26% (14)
    Look
  • 25% (13)
    Marker
  • 28% (15)
    Tyrolia
  • 15% (8)
    Salomon
  • 3% (2)
    Other
52 Total Votes  
post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Over the years have you stayed with one brand or shopped for what you perceived as the best for each application with each new ski purchase?


I started on Dover, then Cubco, then Marker for a long time, Simplex w/Rotomat FD's, then M4 toes w/FD's, Salomon 555 and 727's, followed by 747's. Look Nevada's w/GP heels on a few pairs of skis but by late 80's Tyrolia 490's went on a couple pairs.

So I was all over the place on Brand choice......

What's your experience?
post #2 of 22
Brand loyalty is a rookie move...
post #3 of 22
I did a lot of research many years ago and settled on Look with a turn-table heel or Tyrolia with its diagonal release. The Tyrolia was on sale, so I got that (all-metal 490).

Not much has changed. I now have FF17+, and Fischer FR12. My daughter's skis came with a system binding (Marker motion), but she skis cautiously compared to me.

I've also bought skis that came with Markers and Salomons. The Salomons performed well, even though I would have preferred Tyrolias, that didn't stop me from skiing the other brands. I don't think I would put a Marker on a super-g ski though.
post #4 of 22
Started off with Salomon 444's then to 727's. From there I migrated to Marker Rotomats. I skied the MRR's till the early 90's when the 957 came out. Fromm that point, I got myself a Salomon jig and was skiing Salomon Drivers pretty much ever since with a few other bindings along the way.
post #5 of 22
Not even a -category- for Atomic/ESS?

Sheesh how the mighty have fallen.
post #6 of 22
I'm about 45% Look PX and 45% Tyrolia/Fischer and 10% Marker in my current quiver.

I would probably standardize on Look if the binding could allow easy boot position changes like the Tyrolia Railflex. The Look PX binding provides solid & slop-free hold down at low DIN settings. Bindings that provide free-flex have some lost motion and are more complex.

However, the easy slope-side ability to reset the boot location on the ski by adding or subtracting 1.5mm is a great feature on the Railflex.

It’s a matter of trade-offs. Most bindings are reliable if set correctly IMO.

Michael
post #7 of 22
I would have bought either Look, Marker, Salomon or Tyrolia (in the preference order) but all my skis have had Salomons, for one reason only...I was always getting a better deal (lower price).
222 x1
747 x1 (normal e.g. non-racing, these I transferred on more than one pair of skis until the toepiece spring of one broke)
957Racing x2
912Ti x1

My sons skis have Salomon c308 (or something like that)
My mother always bought whatever the dealer was putting on her skis, Salomon (444), Marker and now Look. "Ironically", she suffered an injury (blown ACL) while on Look, but that could be due to age as well as type of fall (slow speed twist) and not binding dependent.
Incidentally, I agree with Barret, any binding is as reliable as adjustment and maintenance make it (and boot sole conditions, let's not forget that)
post #8 of 22
Well, I generally just get the "system" simply because it's like 50-100 bucks cheaper than buying them seperately, since my dad's a penny pincher.
post #9 of 22
I have no loyalties in that direction. Right now I'm mainly on Look but in the past I've been on Salomon, Marker, Tyrolia and Spademan. I've thought them all to be fine.
post #10 of 22
No real loyalties. I've been on Marker, Rossi (Look), Tyrolia and Look. I put down Tyrolia because that's what I have more of at the moment.
post #11 of 22
For some reason, binding ramp angle affects me in a big big way. I will not go near rossignol bindings because of the excessive ramp angle. If I try to ski rossignols, my quads are on fire after 1-2 runs. I exclusively use Tyrolia bindings because the ramp angle is perfect for me. Plus, tyrolia has the railflex system which is wonderful. Whenever I buy a new ski, I just buy an extra $10 railflex plate and mount it myself. Plus, I can move the mount position forward or backwards within minutes. It makes buying new skis so painless (especially when you get them dirt cheap on ebay) that I am now addicted to buying skis. I few days ago, I scored a brand new K2 public enemy for $40 plus $30 shipping. Add $10 for a railflex plate and that's an $80 ski--brand new, mounted and ready to go. On top of that, I have the SLD12, which is a fairly light binding, which is good because I am a fairly light-weight person. Plus, no problems with pre-releases/non-releases. No question--a big tyrolia fan here.
post #12 of 22
Look Pivots or Tyrolias with the diagonal heel. Tyrolia outnumber Look on my skis right now.

Around '91 I had a nasty wipeout when a Look heel failed (non-turntable) and I wrote them off for a while, but Pivots are the mutts nuts.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post
Look Pivots or Tyrolias........but Pivots are the mutts nuts.
Do you mean they are bad (meaning good)? Or do they suck?
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mainiac View Post
Do you mean they are bad (meaning good)? Or do they suck?
I mean they're great. Fantastic. Wonderful. The "mutt's nuts" is a polite way of expressing the British phrase the "dog's bollocks" which is always a very positive thing.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post
I mean they're great. Fantastic. Wonderful. The "mutt's nuts" is a polite way of expressing the British phrase the "dog's bollocks" which is always a very positive thing.
I agree...that's all I use....
post #16 of 22
Here are a few quick observations:
Look has a tradition of having more metal than plastic and that is a great plus, although I have noticed more and more plastic sneaking into their products.
The classic Look heel piece (vertical cylinder) goes against my idea of how a well engineered heel should be configured -

Marker has german construction, a great toe_piece (even though it needs to be tighter than other toe-pieces due to its multiple movement comshock program) - there were a few slip ups with some overly designed products in the 2004/2006 time frame - they need to concentrate on engineering and solidity, not trends in my opinion.

I hate Solomon Toe pieces - they are not 3 dimensional enough, thus they don't appear to be able to respond to a variety of crash situations.

I loved Tyrolia years ago, but i think that recently they appear cheap - I mean, a binding should last 5/8 years, not just a season or two.

I am interested in the design of the Vist - I haven't used them but from a design/engineering pont of view they seem to have mixed the best of Marker with the best of Look, engineering wise.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post
I mean they're great. Fantastic. Wonderful. The "mutt's nuts" is a polite way of expressing the British phrase the "dog's bollocks" which is always a very positive thing.
This is exactly why I come here. To expand my cultural horizons. Thank you !

And I've no brand loyalties. I mostly ski Salomon and Looks, and tend to avoid marker, but that's because I'm french, and french bindings are, duh, rather commonplace here...
post #18 of 22
I used to have strong preferences on bindings cuz i was a ski mechanic but no longer feel that way. Bindings used to make a big difference when I skied bumps but now as I age gracefully, they don't really make much of a difference anymore. In my youth, I looked for toepiece anti-shock, return to center speed as my most important criteria. Today, I take what comes with the skis (Markers on Volkls).

For the record, I started on cables and used Salomon 505s, Look Nevada GPs, Marker Rotomat FDs, Tyrolia Diagonals over the years and for the last 20 years or so, Markers exclusively.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by karmacoma View Post
Here are a few quick observations:
Look has a tradition of having more metal than plastic and that is a great plus, although I have noticed more and more plastic sneaking into their products.
The classic Look heel piece (vertical cylinder) goes against my idea of how a well engineered heel should be configured -

Marker has german construction, a great toe_piece (even though it needs to be tighter than other toe-pieces due to its multiple movement comshock program) - there were a few slip ups with some overly designed products in the 2004/2006 time frame - they need to concentrate on engineering and solidity, not trends in my opinion.

I hate Solomon Toe pieces - they are not 3 dimensional enough, thus they don't appear to be able to respond to a variety of crash situations.

I loved Tyrolia years ago, but i think that recently they appear cheap - I mean, a binding should last 5/8 years, not just a season or two.

I am interested in the design of the Vist - I haven't used them but from a design/engineering pont of view they seem to have mixed the best of Marker with the best of Look, engineering wise.
We will be switching to Vist for our demo's next season, they are a sweet interface.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
We will be switching to Vist for our demo's next season, they are a sweet interface.
I've got a few questions and concerns regarding Vist - do you think that the build quality is high enough to last for 4-7 years. I know that no manufacturer recommends using older equipment (after all they have to sell new equipment), but lets face it, I would trust a Marker binding that is 5 years old, but I'm not sure i would trust a Tyrolia binding of the same age......the build quality just doesn't seem to be there.
What do you think about the longevity of the Vist 614 or 816?
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by karmacoma View Post
but lets face it, I would trust a Marker binding that is 5 years old, but I'm not sure i would trust a Tyrolia binding of the same age......the build quality just doesn't seem to be there.
I'm not sure I understand the comments about Tyrolia -- I have been thinking the bindings were a lot tougher than I expected, and better built than the Salomons and Markers I have owned recently. I've had Tyrolias on 4-5 skis in recent years and beat the heck out of them. No problems whatsoever, and even the paint is holding up great. These have all been LD-12 variants. I particularly like the heavy gauge steel in the heel piece track, the metal bushings around the rearmost heelpiece screw holes, and the beefy brake construction. It puts some of the other brands to shame.
post #22 of 22
thanks for your comments - my experience with tyrolia has not been good, as they have seemed plasticky and cheap in construction, although in fact they have never actually fallen apart - i'll have to give them a second look based on your opinion...
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