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post #1 of 42
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Went to the NY auto show yesterday and saw the VW Jetta Diesel Sportswagon. Very cool looking new wagon. Decent size, nice interior, typical european layout. Nice materials. Estimated city mid 40's and Highway 50's mpg. All of this in a 170 hp engine with 240# of torque. Pricing was around $27-$30K with all the goodies most would want. Front wheel drive with stability control as well. I can't get onto the VW site but the details are up there. Delivery should be August/September.
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That does look sweet, and a big cargo area too. 40/50mpg is not bad (about equivalent to 33/41mpg on regular gas due to the price difference). I would like AWD as an option though.
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What do you guys think about the body styling??

I have a MKIV GTI, and all of VW's body cues from that point on (I guess the 06 models forward), I don't really love. The new GTI (MKV) is growing on me, but it, the jetta, jetta wagon, etc. all look Japanese or something.

I liked the squarer look, like old BMW's and VW's, etc. You know, classic German.

I'm also curious to see more info on the diesel hybrid Golf which they supposedly will be bringing to the US.
post #5 of 42
no AWD .

[price dependent] Drove the new 09 Subie Forester...real nice. I still like Subies AWD over most any other out there. IF I was to go out and buy a new Ski-mobile, that would be where I started and ended my search. [/price dependent]

Price independent..The new Audi RS6 Avant.
post #6 of 42
The Germans have lost their minds when it comes to styling. They're in bulbous boring confusion land. It seems like they can't make up their minds what the styling direction is.They're even succumbing to headlights that go around the side into a point - like an eye. Hideous from the side, looks like your basic rental car. I hope they snap out of it.

I wonder if a lot of the styling problems (of all makes) may be due to going directly from computer to production model instead of working from the clay models. It's just not the same on computer as a real 3d model.
post #7 of 42
I'm all about having a looong cargo area in the wagon. When I was looking at wagons some of them were annoyingly short. I'm probably the only one who looks for this but I like to have the cargo area long enough to sleep in so I have a backup if I go camping and it's pouring out. It's also nice to be able to put 185cm skis straight in. Seem like many wagons are almost there in length but without that extra 6" it makes it tough.
post #8 of 42
272,000 on my 98 Durango and going strong.

BUT come the 2010 models, 40-50 mpg .................................
post #9 of 42
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I can't get onto the site to see if the 4 motion option will be offered. it would be a tough to beat package if it was. Even w/out, Throw on some snows and va' bene. I really liked the size, it was about the same as a Avant A4, which rumor has it, will offer the diesel engine as well. I haven't heard about the hybrid diesel, very interesting. It's a clean engine as well. My only concern is that the Jetta's are still made in Mexico and the QC is not so good. I have a pic on my camera but forgot the card reader.
post #10 of 42
4Motion and you'd have a little ski mobile. It's just such a shame how expensive diesel is these days. (I'll save you my supply and demand rant with a sprinkling "we're over taxed!" for another day)

I'm a huge fan of all wheel drive. My wife and I had front wheel drive cars until we upgraded the fleet last year. Now we have a 4x4 Jeep and an Audi with quattro.
post #11 of 42
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Originally Posted by milehighathletic View Post
I'm all about having a looong cargo area in the wagon. When I was looking at wagons some of them were annoyingly short. I'm probably the only one who looks for this but I like to have the cargo area long enough to sleep in so I have a backup if I go camping and it's pouring out. It's also nice to be able to put 185cm skis straight in. Seem like many wagons are almost there in length but without that extra 6" it makes it tough.
I have my Subie wagon set up where I can have 12 pr in the car (inc 195 Boss's) and still a 3rd person in the back. The Jetta and A4 Avant are just too short inside compared to the Subie.

post #12 of 42
Dude, you know you can get a used Subie 2.5RS wagon for a couple thousand bucks, right? It would take a million years of 50mpg to make up for the extra $20K you'd spend on the cute VDub and STILL not have AWD (and diesel is $4.20/gal!!!)... Buy used vehicles and new skiing equipment. Take that $20K and bring yourself to a heli trip to Revelstoke on some new planks, brah- that VDub may be cool but it will neither get you girls, nor will it get you to the Mountain when its dumping and therefore IMHO it is not worth the $$$.
post #13 of 42
[quote=DoWork;886565]Buy used vehicles and new skiing equipment. Take that $20K and bring yourself to a heli trip to Revelstoke on some new planks, brahquote]

That's why I am driving a 10yo, 272,000 mile Durango and waiting to try the Shaman's just bought next weekend @ Big Sky and receive the Gotama's ordered from SJ.

But come 2010, you never know !!!!!!!
post #14 of 42
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
Dude, you know you can get a used Subie 2.5RS wagon for a couple thousand bucks, right? It would take a million years of 50mpg to make up for the extra $20K you'd spend on the cute VDub and STILL not have AWD (and diesel is $4.20/gal!!!)... Buy used vehicles and new skiing equipment. Take that $20K and bring yourself to a heli trip to Revelstoke on some new planks, brah- that VDub may be cool but it will neither get you girls, nor will it get you to the Mountain when its dumping and therefore IMHO it is not worth the $$$.

Hey if you can get that subie for 2K, please show me where so I can buy a few and sell them here for much more! This is not about the cheapest mode of transportation, it's just a cool car that gets good mileage. It has great use for hauling bikes, kayaks, mulch and other crap; not to mention Finn. If I needed a new car, it would be way at the top though, think green my friend, we want 'Stoke to be covered in hundreds of inches of pow right? Well, a clean diesel that conserves fuel is good all around BTW- you aren't familiar with my ski purchases are you? (one of the largest gear whores here!)

Phil, are you sure the new wagon is shorter than the forester? curious.
post #15 of 42
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
Buy used vehicles and new skiing equipment. Take that $20K and bring yourself to a heli trip to Revelstoke on some new planks, brahquote]

That's why I am driving a 10yo, 272,000 mile Durango and waiting to try the Shaman's just bought next weekend @ Big Sky and receive the Gotama's ordered from SJ.

But come 2010, you never know !!!!!!!
$20K: invest that 20K and you will have much, much more in far less than you think. Its easy to get 10-15% return.

Shamans:You're going be blown away by them!!!! Did you get from PTEX1? (Tim)
post #16 of 42
It's ugly and it has no AWD.

Someone needs to introduce something roughly equivalent to the Mazda 6 wagon that isn't crappy, looks nice, and has AWD for under $25k. Somewhere between the size of a Vibe and Outback.

I'd be all over that.
post #17 of 42
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I have my Subie wagon set up where I can have 12 pr in the car (inc 195 Boss's) and still a 3rd person in the back. The Jetta and A4 Avant are just too short inside compared to the Subie.

That's a nice setup Phil. Do the skis stay pretty stable when you transport them? Even under hard braking?

My wife and I transport our skis in the back of our Grand Cherokee. Since it's just the two of us, no big deal to fold the seats down and toss the skis in the back...keeps the VT road salt off of them. Anyways, that's a cool mount you have. I may consider fabing something up like that.
post #18 of 42
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
It's ugly and it has no AWD.

Someone needs to introduce something roughly equivalent to the Mazda 6 wagon that isn't crappy, looks nice, and has AWD for under $25k. Somewhere between the size of a Vibe and Outback.

I'd be all over that.
Sure, but that ain't gonna happen, the Suzuki comes closest but tiny!
post #19 of 42
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Its easy to get 10-15% return.
Please, teach us how.
post #20 of 42
Oh I'm a car and gear whore too, but if it's on the ski website I'm expecting it to be a tracked hybrid monster truck with integrated ski racks... FWD? Not the ultimate in my book, but a nice car no doubt I'll give you that. Yes, the diesel will burn cleaner and also you can run the greasecar setup for $0 tank fills, but that's a huge PITA... and if you want a cheap Subie, just come to the auction with me and pull cars presale. While technically not "legal", it's how I got my 1998 Wrangler 4.0 5spd w/ 42k on the clock for $6,900 almost three years ago, about 4+k under book at the time... Just bring cash... I guess I just feel like its a huge waste of money to buy new cars, but that's just the opinion of someone who has rediculous access to cars and never any money leftover after buying ski stuff ... But as long as it gets Finn where he's going in comfort and style and the quiver doesn't suffer- it's all butter baby!
post #21 of 42
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Please, teach us how.
Look no further than American Funds lifetime returns on their equity funds. That's about the simplest way possible for a long term (10+ years) investor to easily beat a 12% average annual rate of return over a meaningful period of time.

AMCAP - lifetime return 12.06% per year
EuroPacific - lifetime return 14.01% per year
Growth Fund - lifetime return 15.30% per year
New Perspective - lifetime return 13.76% per year
etc
etc
(returns as of 12/31/07)

But shhh....some of their funds are getting kind of big which could eventually become a concern.
post #22 of 42
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
Someone needs to introduce something roughly equivalent to the Mazda 6 wagon that isn't crappy, looks nice, and has AWD for under $25k. Somewhere between the size of a Vibe and Outback.

I'd be all over that.
Length (in.) / Width (in.)
2007 Mazda 6 Wagon: 187.80 / 70.10
2007 Outback Wagon: 189.00 / 69.70

If you really feel that way, just get the outback because it's basically the same size as a 6 wagon. I picked up an outback this year, and love it.
post #23 of 42
Have you seen the price of deisel????
post #24 of 42
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
no AWD .

[price dependent] Drove the new 09 Subie Forester...real nice. I still like Subies AWD over most any other out there. IF I was to go out and buy a new Ski-mobile, that would be where I started and ended my search. [/price dependent]

Price independent..The new Audi RS6 Avant.
I really like that new Forester, though I wish they had gone with the 5-spd auto trans from the upper-model Legacy/Outback. In all other respects, it looks like a home run.

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Originally Posted by milehighathletic View Post
I'm all about having a looong cargo area in the wagon. When I was looking at wagons some of them were annoyingly short.
Totally agree there. I used to be able to fit skis in the rear of my Outback lying flat and straight, without having to move the front seats. My current car (Acura RDX) has about 11" less of front-to-back length, and it really hampers ski transport inside the vehicle. That has been one of my main gripes about the car. If I have more than 1 passenger, the skis have to go on the roof rack. A lot of newer wagons have short cargo areas.

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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
Someone needs to introduce something roughly equivalent to the Mazda 6 wagon that isn't crappy, looks nice, and has AWD for under $25k. Somewhere between the size of a Vibe and Outback.
You just described that 09 Forester Phil was talking about....

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post #25 of 42
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Originally Posted by Mike Aswell View Post
Look no further than American Funds lifetime returns on their equity funds. That's about the simplest way possible for a long term (10+ years) investor to easily beat a 12% average annual rate of return over a meaningful period of time.
You could cherry pick funds from any of the mutual fund companies and find the same data.
post #26 of 42
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
When I saw that it reminded me of a Kia.

http://www.kia.com/spectra5/index.php
post #27 of 42
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post
It's ugly and it has no AWD.

Someone needs to introduce something roughly equivalent to the Mazda 6 wagon that isn't crappy, looks nice, and has AWD for under $25k. Somewhere between the size of a Vibe and Outback.

I'd be all over that.
I have a 2005 Mazda6 wagon, its a great drivers car and very practical.

Mazda will introduce a replacement for the 6 soon: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-mazda6-2/384659/

It will be bigger than the current 6 & have AWD. No word on a wagon version for the US market yet.

Michael
post #28 of 42
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
You could cherry pick funds from any of the mutual fund companies and find the same data.
You're actually wrong. And I am not cherry picking. Proof is in the pudding, of course:

American Funds only has 7 "growth" (or aggressive equity) funds. If you look at ALL seven, their lifetime return averages 13.27% per year. It's publicly available information, if you care to take the time and look.

Inception date of the funds, in alphabetical order, to prove that "lifetime" actually means something (i.e. is more than a few years):

5/1/1967
4/16/1984
12/1/1973
12/1/1983
3/13/1973
6/17/1999
4/30/1990

There are a few other fund families that might come close to this, but very few who would match or better it.
post #29 of 42
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
Oh I'm a car and gear whore too, but if it's on the ski website I'm expecting it to be a tracked hybrid monster truck with integrated ski racks... FWD? Not the ultimate in my book, but a nice car no doubt I'll give you that. Yes, the diesel will burn cleaner and also you can run the greasecar setup for $0 tank fills, but that's a huge PITA... and if you want a cheap Subie, just come to the auction with me and pull cars presale. While technically not "legal", it's how I got my 1998 Wrangler 4.0 5spd w/ 42k on the clock for $6,900 almost three years ago, about 4+k under book at the time... Just bring cash... I guess I just feel like its a huge waste of money to buy new cars, but that's just the opinion of someone who has rediculous access to cars and never any money leftover after buying ski stuff ... But as long as it gets Finn where he's going in comfort and style and the quiver doesn't suffer- it's all butter baby!
hence "near" perfect I walk to the gondi so I don't even have a car in SB!!!!: Here in NJ, well, it's not a ski car......
post #30 of 42
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Regarding return, as a business owner, I get to pick which funds are in the pool, we set up out 401-k with a large number of Morningstar 4 &5 stars and adjust them 1/4ly if needed. Its really not that difficult. Several of the funds were in the 30% range all year. Not so great right now! I need to reallocate.
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