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Dynastar Fluid binding systems -- any good?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I think I am going to snag a pair of Legend 8000s with all the deals floating around. I'm having an easier time finding 8Ks with the integrated Fluid / PX12 binding system, but have never seen them in person or skied on them. Are they any good? I prefer flat mounts on this kind of ski, primarily to have the least amount of lift and the most direct mount to the ski. Never having seen the Fluid system, I am wondering how much lift (if any) it adds and how solidly it connects the binding to the ski. Any experiences?

thanks,
Craig
post #2 of 20
Hi - I've skied the old Contact 10, 4800, 8000, and 8800 sans fluid system, and the Contact 11 with. So no exact comparison possible. But I can say that the Contact 11 had significantly different (and better) edge feel than any of the others, more planted and secure. Whether that was due to the binding or the ski, can't say.
post #3 of 20
The Fluid rail adds about 10mm of additional lift over say a std PX12 ish kinda binding. I ski on the shop demos (fluid) regularly and like the feel. My old pr of now nearly wrecked 184's are mounted with a std. P-12. I like them too. The skis are different and mine pretty beat so I can't say wheteher the lift on the Fluid version is the reason but the new one feels more solid to me.

SJ
post #4 of 20
like em
post #5 of 20
My Mythics are flat.

They ski great.

I got a super deal on them.

All things equal, I'd get the Fluids - just because I don't believe there is much of a difference and it's a heck of a lot easier for remount/resale.
post #6 of 20
I have the fluids on my Contact11s and I'll say they're certainly superior to the Marker system that came with my Volkl AC4s. Good engineering and performance. I was able to figure out how to mount them right out of the box in minutes (unlike Markers), easily adjusted fore/aft on the rails if you so choose (unlike Markers), and no prereleases (unlike Markers). I like them.
post #7 of 20
I was trying to buy them flat, but the deal I found had the fluid system. Overall, a good system. As said above, super easy to mount and I have had no pre-release problems vs. the Markers on my AC4's.
post #8 of 20
I am of the opinion that none of the integrated ski/binding systems have any advantages, besides the advantage of a bit of lift if thats what you're looking for.

I think its all marketing.
post #9 of 20
I have two year old 8k's with P12's flat, and a new pair (bought on Wednesday) with PX12 Fluid.

Can I feel a difference after two days on the new ones? I think they're not quite as quick, but I'm in Tahoe now, which looks (and feels) more like being on the Ice Coast, as it's a fairly nasty crust, so it's too early to tell - have to get into better conditions instead of just sliding around.

When I get home next week with some real spring conditions I'll probably switch off between them and see if there's a difference.

The bottom line however is that it's a fantastic ski that's a blast in almost any condition, no matter what the binding system.

Oh - and now I can take the binding off and pack the bare skis with my Mythic's in the same ski bag, and put the bindings in my carry-on backpack. NICE!
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the comments guys.
post #11 of 20

Does anyone know if the Dynastar Fluid system bindings are interoperable with the Rossignol TPI2 system bindings?

post #12 of 20

Not that this is a hot topic at this point, but for anyone who's made their way here the Rossignol TPI2 binding system is interchangeable with the Dynastar Fluid system. I had a pair of Rossi's with the TPI2 bindings (in white below), and recently picked up some Dynastar Contact 4x4's witrh Fluid bindings (in black/red below). The form factors of the track pieces are different, but the same where it counts - where the bindings mate with the track, and on the underside of the binding heel/toe pieces.

 

 

 

The Rossi's have been skied a bit, and there's a little slop in the fit now, but not bad. Definitely the easiest bindings to put on/take off and adjust (including effective mount point, as the heel and toe pieces are adjusted separately) I've come across. Too bad they don't sell just the tracks, as with Railflex plates, etc.

post #13 of 20

Bump - Sort of.

 

Been using Fluid binding system - I like it.  But then again haven't used many other systems for the past 8-9 years.

 

Great when sending the old skis off to the ski swap.

post #14 of 20

Was thumbing through a ski mag and saw an ad for the Rossi Pursuit 800 skis. They're still using the TPI 2 binding system...

 

  http://www.rossignol.com/US/US/pursuit-800-ti-tpx--2015--RAEBS02--product--alpine-men-skis.html

 

 

Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post
 

Not that this is a hot topic at this point, but for anyone who's made their way here the Rossignol TPI2 binding system is interchangeable with the Dynastar Fluid system. I had a pair of Rossi's with the TPI2 bindings (in white below), and recently picked up some Dynastar Contact 4x4's witrh Fluid bindings (in black/red below). The form factors of the track pieces are different, but the same where it counts - where the bindings mate with the track, and on the underside of the binding heel/toe pieces.

 

 

 

The Rossi's have been skied a bit, and there's a little slop in the fit now, but not bad. Definitely the easiest bindings to put on/take off and adjust (including effective mount point, as the heel and toe pieces are adjusted separately) I've come across. Too bad they don't sell just the tracks, as with Railflex plates, etc.

post #15 of 20

Heh.    Just looking at that ski I get flashbacks to the old Zeniths.

post #16 of 20

Understandable.  ;-)

 

http://www.skis.com/Rossignol-Zenith-9-TPI-Skis-with-Axial-120-TI-Bindings/63925P,default,pd.html

 

I guess if that binding system has been around this long it must be ok.

post #17 of 20

Does fluid system come with a plate? I bought Look SPX 12 Fluid Ski Binding (evo link) and hope I can play around my binding on my new ski. Many reviews said they're adjustable.

 

However in Dynastar's website, it reads "Designed for use with integrated Fluid ski binding systems only." And in one of the video reviews, there is a plate to adjust the binding.

 

Can my binding work without the plate? If yes, are they still adjustable? Thanks a lot!

post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by wangyizhuo View Post
 

Does fluid system come with a plate?

 

Can my binding work without the plate? If yes, are they still adjustable? Thanks a lot!

No. No. N/A.

 

You might be able to get a plate through a shop that has a good relationship with Dynastar. I have removed Fluid plates and remounted them on a flat ski, it can be done, which is good, because it is the only way you can use that binding.

post #19 of 20

Thanks for the reply. I guess your answer is "No. Yes. N/A"? Since I can still use the binding without a plate.

 

I guess I will return the binding, unless the binding alone (no plate) has some advantage over Attack 13 or Pivot 12 / 14. 

post #20 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by wangyizhuo View Post
 

Thanks for the reply. I guess your answer is "No. Yes. N/A"? Since I can still use the binding without a plate.

 

I guess I will return the binding, unless the binding alone (no plate) has some advantage over Attack 13 or Pivot 12 / 14. 

 

What he means is that he can remove the Fluid plates and remount the bindings (plates and all) on another ski.

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