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Another length question - 6'6"

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hello,

I am new here and probably the same questions were asked before.

First some introduction. I am a big dutch guy at 6'6"/197cm and about 215 lbs/98kg (don't worry, I'm quite friendly). As a skier I am still a beginner (23 days) and so far I prefer nicely groomed slopes so far. This may change one time, but since I am no natural talent, this may take a while. I own a pair of Atomic Stomps (186, 88 under foot). These are nice and stable but at r=23,5 I go through turns with a lot of 'kggggggg' going on and little carving. Besides, they are twintips and well, if I sky backwards it's by accident. Because of that, after renting a few, I am now looking for a more piste-orientated ski, something allround or maybe a Crosscarver.

Now the problem: in the Netherlands the choice of ski's is limited and since I have little money reserved I want to buy at a certain shop where I can get a discount. Because of this good options for me (since I am especially interested in the length part I will not mention them right now) are available only in a range of 175-178cm. Now the questions:

- Is this too short for me? What will be the big problems? Is there anyone here with experience with ski's about 19 cms shorter than you are, reaching up to the lower lip?

- My centre-of-gravity is relatively low, because my legs are short for someone my length. Will this influence the ideal length or won't it matter?

- If I go for a ski this length what is the best way to compensate for the lack of length? Choosing a ski that is extra stiff? Or a bit broader ski?

Thanks for your time,
Remco
post #2 of 12
I am 6'5" and 215 lbs. If you are a beginner I would say that a 175-178 cm ski would be just about right, but I would not go shorter than that. That length should work well for you for on piste skiing. Once you improve you may want to go a little longer for skiing in deeper or uneven snow or terrain, but for now 175 should be enough, if you get the right skis.

The most important thing is to find a ski that is appropriate for your weight. If possible you should try to demo the skis for a day before buying. Most shops subtract the demo fee from the price if you end up buying skis from them. You do not want a ski that is too soft flexing or you will find it unstable if you get going fast or push on it hard. Talk to the shop and make sure the skis you are considering can handle someone your size, and go on the manufacturer's web site and see if they have a weight/length chart. Good luck!
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the answer. I am looking around this forum for people with similar weights now and their experience with certain skis. Trying things is hard here I'm afraid since there is only indoor skiing in the Netherlands and that hardly gives an idea about how the ski works.
post #4 of 12
In answer to your original question, getting a wider ski will not compensate for shorter length, except when it comes to float in deeper snow. On piste it is mostly a matter of how stiff the ski is. As a beginner you want something with an even flex that is appropriate for your weight. The World Cup racers ski very fast on icy snow on very short/stiff skis, so length is not the controling factor for on piste skiing.
post #5 of 12
I'm a bit taller and lighter (202cm/88kg) than you are. Most often I’m on 176 cm (Fischer AMC 76) and 165 cm (Elan Race SL). Elan is 37 cm (more than 14”) shorter than my height, but I’m more than happy with that ski.
post #6 of 12
Dag Remco,
As a fellow dutchman welcome to epic!
I'm 6'4"/193 and 240lbs and own and love the Völkl Supersport 5* ti
at 1.75.
A very stiff ski, holds an edge on ice and must be skied at speed.
Generally a stiffer ski is preverable with our dimensions.
Indoors in "Landgraaf", you definatly can demo and get a feel for a certain type of ski.
As an powder ski I'm am considering the Katana at 1.97 m because I like lenght in such a powder specific board.
Good luck with your choices, and have fun on epic!
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stekan View Post
I'm a bit taller and lighter (202cm/88kg) than you are. Most often I’m on 176 cm (Fischer AMC 76) and 165 cm (Elan Race SL). Elan is 37 cm (more than 14”) shorter than my height, but I’m more than happy with that ski.
How do you like the AMC76's? That is one of the skis I have in mind, but I was afraid it could not handle my weight at 10kg more than you. What do you think about that?
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by QmQ View Post
Dag Remco,
As a fellow dutchman welcome to epic!
Thanks, I mean dankjewel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by QmQ View Post
I'm 6'4"/193 and 240lbs and own and love the Völkl Supersport 5* ti at 1.75.A very stiff ski, holds an edge on ice and must be skied at speed.Generally a stiffer ski is preverable with our dimensions.
The Supersports are probably too stiff for me then. It is very important to me to be able to make turns at lower speeds as well. That doesn't work well with my stomps and is also one of the reasons I want another pair. It's hard to estimate what the ideal stiffness would be. I liked the Dynastar Contact Limited to give an impression but a two year old pair of Salomon Crossmax 10s was far too wobbly and instable, maybe also because of the use.

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Originally Posted by QmQ View Post
Indoors in "Landgraaf", you definatly can demo and get a feel for a certain type of ski.
I have skied in Landgraaf, it is ofcourse far better than nothing, but I can't compare it with 'the real thing'.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by Remco View Post
How do you like the AMC76's? That is one of the skis I have in mind, but I was afraid it could not handle my weight at 10kg more than you. What do you think about that?
That’s definitely not a problem. I'm sure you’ll be more than happy with AMC 76. They are high level skis, but very light and forgiving. The skis have a speed limit, but at your level there is no chance to reach it.
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
If all goes well I can get a very very nice price for the Head iXRC800s (06-07, the newer ones are a bit more expensive) with length 177. This seems a very nice ski for me. What do you think?

Maybe a bit serious, but with my weight and strength I believe I can handle it. I am not an agressive skier, but I can put some force in them.
post #11 of 12
Remco -
If you plan on skiing off-piste, I would suggest getting a ski with a bit more width under you for better floatation. I'm 6' 5", 215 lbs, and I highly recommend something with a waist width of 85 mm or wider. Heavier guys need the extra width to keep from sinking into softer snow. A wider width allows you to ride a shorter ski due to it having a surface area comparable to a longer, skinnier ski. Shorter generally equates to better manuverability/tighter turning, while giving up a bit of edge grip & stability on harder snow at higher speeds. Tip width is especially important - a wider tip rides higher in deep snow, keeping you balanced & centered off-piste.
I recently demo'd a 184 cm Salomon X Wing Fury (125/85/114) & a 173 cm Icelantic Shaman (160/110/130).
For me, the Salomon was a great ski in all conditions all over the mountain, while the Icelantic shined in deeper snow & in the trees.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks Kingsalami for the comment. I am now looking for a ski for the groomers. Once I want to go off-piste I will look for another one especially for that use, so probably something around 90mm.

I made a new thread about the definitive choice to split things up a little, since this was primarily about the size.
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