or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › think Im ready to buy new skis
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

think Im ready to buy new skis

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
Hi all, what a great winter we have had. I juts got back from Killington last week, what a great time.

I need some advice, I will explain in detail what I think my needs are followed by naming a few models, and I hope you can help me out.

First, I`m in Montreal. I ski mostly Bromont at night. I sometimes ski Orford, and I will take 1 ski trip a year to someplace like Killington for a few consecutive full days of skiing.

I am 37, 5`8, 145 lbs ( all legs it seems ). I have been skiing since I was 5 or so, and I ski just about all terrain except for double diamonds, I am not someone who dances around moguls with grace and style on the steepest of runs. When I do moguls, I prefer a less steep run. I ski fast and aggressive, I ski narrowly down the hill ( if that is the proper term ) meaning I carve tight and short. I do not make big wide circles down the hill. I also enjoy the snow parks ( the jumps only ) - nothing fancy, just enjoy the thrill of a high jump, I do not spin or twist or anything. I ski for fun only basically.

So my first thought was getting a racing ski as I had when I was younger, but I am not so sure that is what I need, for example the biggest challenge I have had this year, is being able to turn ( or carve ) when i was skiing down steep icy terrain, which seems to be often. I want to able to ski down this type of terrain without sliding sideways. BUT , What I am not willing to sacrifice is the stability that comes with a longer racing type ski. Like I said, I ski very fast.

below are some skis I was reading about, but I have to admit, I am not familiar with a lot of the terms used. so, maybe I misunderstood, and listed a ski that really is not for my style. I see words like citizen, forgiving, bullet proof in crud, hard snow nimble - and I get lost a little.

If I have left anything out, I will be happy to elaborate. here are some models I thought may fit my needs,

volkl - Racetiger SL Racing
Quick and stable at the same time, a good choice for Masters or Citizen racing. Maybe a bit demanding for free skiing for all but racers on a day off. Great ice tool.

volkl - AC 30
The 30 may prove to be Volkl's most "all around" all-around ski, among traditional models. Testers of a wide spectrum of abilities liked the 30. Typical comments: "Excellent response, meaty but easy to handle and holds like crazy." and "Lively, easy to ski but you can push it and it delivers. This ski will do it all."

head - Chip Supershape
Solid, quick (though not as quick as the original Supershape), supremely stable, smooth...what's not to like. This is probably the better choice of the two new Supershapes for strong, fast skiers. Excels on hard snow. Could serve as a good Nastar ski.

head - i.Monster 78
For many of our skiers, the most exciting new model from Head. Contender for 1-ski-quiver of the year, overall ski of the year. A near perfect blend of off-piste power and hard snow nimble. This ski, we predict, will prove in time to be another Head classic and it may break the heart of some who have relatively new Monster 82's. East, West—no matter. This one is worth a look from every strong and skilled skier.

roxy - Joyrider
The Joyrider is the stronger of the two tactical, quasi-technical skis we tested, aimed at a more skilled skier. In fact, it's based on the Rossi Z line. Good all mountain 1-ski quiver for reasonably strong skiers. Stable, quick, smooth and responsive. A winner for Roxy.

fischer - RC4 Progressor
Want a bit more width and not interested in bumps? This performs nearly as well as the 8, but with more muscle. Smooth, quick, not quite as forgiving, bullet proof in crud.

fischer - RX Fire 8 FTi
One of the highest scoring skis we have seen and a player for Ski of the Year. Extremely quick, silky smooth, solid and stable and even forgiving.

elan - GSX Race
This can be confusing. Previously, the GSX Race has been an actual F.I.S. legal 21m GS ski. Now that designation fills none other than the legendary Ripstick slot and the Ripstick is no more. Still a great frontside carving machine.

elan - Speedwave 12
This ski, described perfectly by one tester as "Great frontside carver, lots of energy and very responsive," will probably more suit those who are not involved in citizen racing, but who are focused on carving and spend most of the time on the groomed.

I will still rent before I buy, I thank you in advance for any advice.

post #2 of 7
My first choice would be to recommend you consider Atomic SX12 Pb. It is solid at speed, good on ice and has a good compromise between sl and gs for a turn radius. It is not the first choice for moguls, but if you know how to ski you will be able to get through them; if you wanted to ski a lot of moguls I would not suggest this ski.

I can also suggest Fischer RC4 Worldcup SC if most of your turns are under 13 m radius, and Fischer RC4 Worldcup RC for slightly longer turns. The Fischer skis will feel lighter than the Atomics, but you will be able to control them without stability concerns at any speed you can reach on the hills you mentioned. I have a pair of WC SCs and have frequently gotten them over a mile a minute without any instability (other than the tendency of any shaped ski to want to turn if not on edge).

The RX8 has an advantage over the Worldcup in that it is a little softer, so you don't have to ski as fast to make it work, but the Worldcup behaves better at high speed and on frozen crud. I had a little regret that I bought the SC on some softer hills when the ski was new, but I have adjusted to it now, or it's gotten softer. The Worldcup SC is the RX8 on steroids. I haven't tried the progressor, but hear it is a little more useful off-piste and on softer snow, but I think a second ski is in order for those "over a foot of fresh" days. Definitely try to demo the Progressor.

The supershape chip is a good choice, but if you ski fast the supershape speed is even better.

I don't think you want to limit yourself to a SL radius.

I have only tried the old S12 and S10 from Elan along with a Fusion Pro, but the Fusion Pro had been sabotaged. I found the S12 to have good grip and a nice solid feel to it. I bet the GSX Race would make you happy, but I haven't tried it.

Forget about the AC30 and IM78; they are not the high speed ice machines you are looking for.

EDIT: I weigh 165 lbs. At 145 lbs, the speeds required to make the WC work would be higher for you. Your best bet is likely the Progressor, or Head SS Chip.
post #3 of 7
Thread Starter 
thanks ghost ,that was fast, and very helpful,

what is an SL radius by the way ?

I tend to agree with you on a needing a second ski for fresh snow days, this will allow me to have 2 specific skis rather than one all around ski,

also, I did not know a shaped ski wants to turn when not on edge, but it makes perfect sense. I just never heard it described that way.
post #4 of 7
The sidecut interacts with any irregularities in the snow surface to try and carve a turn to one side then the other as you try to straightline with the skis flat. Tipping them up on edge causes them to do what they are told, if you tip them slightly at high speeds, they try to make a turn according to their turn radius but forces are too high so they end up making the turn with some slippage, a good stable ski will slip but not chatter.

Most Slalom skis have a small sidecut radius of around 13 meters give or take. My SCs have a 13 m sidecut radius. This is limiting when I want to ski very fast and ski mostly straight down the hill making banana shaped turns or just turning to follow the trial or fall line. The ski will only make a pure arc on hardpack up to its turn radius. If you want to make bigger pure arcs on ice or boiler plate hard snow, you need a bigger sidecut radius. Of course you can make bigger turns; they just won't be pure arc carving turns. On the flip side the smaller the sidecut radius, the less you have to tip the ski to get it to make tighter turns. Usually skis with longer sidecut radii are also stiffer so it is harder to bend them into smaller turns even when you do tip them up to big angles. With your light weight, you also need to consider the amount of down force you will need to keep the edge in the ice.

I would say try the SX12 or WC in 160, the Progressor and Head in 165.
post #5 of 7
Thread Starter 
so Ghost, just to finalize, what can i expect to be losing in terms of comparing skiing on a general all purpose ski, - the advantages are pretty clear, but I guess there must be a sacrifice.
post #6 of 7
Ghost, can you comment on the RC4 Race SC? When I was renting a demo at a shop in Tahoe, the guy there told me that the Progressor was stiffer. Do you agree?
post #7 of 7
I've been on the RX8 and the WC SC. I'm just going by hear say and reviews on the Progressor and Race SC. From what I hear the Race SC is pretty much a match to the RX8, some say a tiny bit stiffer, some otherwise, but close to the RX8 nevertheless. Reviews proclaim the RX8 Fire as good as the RX8, but more forgiving if that's possible, the Progressor being wider a step towards more deep snow versatility than the RX8, but also less forgiving.

All mountain skis sacrifice a some hard snow and ice performance and ultimate grip in order to be easier to handle in deeper snow.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › think Im ready to buy new skis