Originally Posted by skier219
You know, if I didn't already think you were a major douchebag, I would take offense at this. But in your case, I am seriously not surprised.
Read some of my many reviews and notes about my skis. I really don't care how many skis you own or demo, but if you want to make it into a pissing match, then yeah, I'm right with you on numbers, and I tune and mount myself (without a jig too -- because I am a badass
. But I would think you were a douchebag no matter how many skis either one of us owned, and regardless of whether or not we tune/mount skis. Just the fact that you bring that up confirms it. Want to count how many pairs of boots next? Socks?
Also, do you realize that a +2.5 mount for me might be the same as a +1 mount for someone else if they had larger boots, or a zero mount for a sasquatch? Do you have any frame of reference for the zero mark to begin with, or do you simply think the manufacturer's mark, your boot size, and your skiing style are a dead on match? Criticize me for thinking about it, but if you blindly mount at zero and act like its the best thing ever, then you have not thought about it enough. At least I have tried various mount points.
The bottom line on the 179cm PE is that it has a 144cm running length. Call it what you want, but that's the same running length most 165cm traditional skis have. By many metrics for comparing skis, that makes the PE ski short. The specs confirm my experiences on the snow. If you think it's a longer ski, great.
(smacks head against wall)
Look dude, first of all:
- Learn how to measure a ski properly
- Learn how to calculate sidecut properly
- Learn about the concept of ROCKER/EARLY RISE (DUH!!!!)
- Learn about mounting points
- Learn about how MANY factors effect if a ski skis long or short!!!
Now that that's out of the way....+2.5????? I don't care how big your boot sole is or where your BOF is. It's all bs!!!! Really!!! THAT"S REALLY FORWARD!!! THAT'S THE REASON THEY SKI SHORT FOR YOU! DUH!!!
If BOF was such a big deal, all the companys would still do a toe mount, or gradiated scale like the Elan's from the mid-90's........
EVERY SKI'S OPTIMUM MOUNTING POINT IS RELATIVE TO MANY, MANY FACTORS.
Last time I checked, I use more than just my BOF to ski with. Like my toe, and my heel. DUH!!! THe ski designer wants you at the MIDSOLE mounting point, as designed. Due to the flex and dimensions of the ski. I'm telling you, they didn't just pull that mark out of their A$$. Hey, you may differ with the designer...so hey....go -1 or +1...or more if the mark is waaay off. But only by feel and for good reason. Not for some STUPID BOF theory that dorks discuss on the internet!!!
The measured running length on this is largely irrelevant. IT HAS TIP AND TAIL EARLY RISE. THAT IS GOOD.
So. Are you going to now tell me in your infinte wisdom that K2 Hellbents ski short? Praxis??? DPS????? Get a clue, buddy!!!
Anyway, I KNOW the 179 PE works for many BIG agressive skiers, MOUNTED AT 0. People I know and ski with, over 200 lb. Any skis ski short when mounted +2.5....duh!!!!
The 179 PE is the smallest, most nimble ski in my quiver...but in no way would I say it skis short
...it has the stiffness and weight (and when mounted at 0 to compensate for the shorter length) hangs with the big dogs quite well:
179 PE w/ZR18
183 Axiom W/180 PRO
186 IM88 W/180 Freeride
186 Stockli Scott Schmidt w/997 Competition+lift
190 Super Big Daddy w/180 PRO
192 M777 w/Vist V13+S916
200 Ultrawave MF w/957 composite
201 Asteriod w/957 Competiton
If I normally ski all those skis (in the east, no less)...and I like the 179 PE.....obviously, it cannot "ski short".