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do you ...have you worn a helmet

post #1 of 54
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Do you think you take more risks with the helmet on than without it on?
post #2 of 54
Now that I ski with a helmet all the time, I couldn't possibly ski the way I do without it. I don't ski near as fast and I'm not as confident without my helmet.

However, I used to hate wearing one, and at that time, I felt like my helmet held me back, and I couldn't be as aggressive when I was wearing it.

Strange...
post #3 of 54
I've never worn a helmet and have no plans to, just don't see the need. IMO, the only time I might need one would be hardpack-ice conditions and I don't ride in those conditions any longer. Powder can't do any harm and I'm not too worried about "weird or strange" things happening....

Your poll should have had one more choice for "never wear them".
post #4 of 54
its your head Mr Hyak, but powder often covers things that will crack your skull.
I fractured mine on a very deep day.
post #5 of 54
I wear my helmet everyday, no matter what Then again I live on the east coast, and I race, so uhmm, i'd be dumb not to. I like wearing it though, keeps your head super warm, and you never lose your goggles, plus its the perfect locale for stickers. One of my friends was just cruising on an easy groomer to finish off the day and for some reason or another he caught an edge or something and just tipped over. he wound up having a pretty serious concussion. So I guess if you live in the east coast you outta wear it, and you really should if you live in the west too. It's the skiing equivalent of a seatbelt.
post #6 of 54
Wearing a brain bucket has saved my wife's life about 3 times, mine once. I don't leave home without it. Frozen granular is the word of the day here in the east, most times.
post #7 of 54
I wear mine all the time on the resort. However when I go touring I don't. I guess it's because I do a lot of ascents and I am too hot wearing a helmet and taking it on and off really gets to be a pain. It's much easier wearing a toque that I can just pull off and stuff in my pocket. Also I don't do a lot of crazy lines in the b.c. I am much more reserved than on resort.
post #8 of 54
I bought a helmet because I knew it was a smart/safe idea and I thought that it sets a good example for the folks we teach - especially the kids that we REQUIRE to wear helmets.

I used to wear it about 50% of the time. Now, I wear it 100%. WHY? It's the warmest/driest thing I own. Balclava, helmet, goggles. I am TOASTY warm and my face is protected from wind and elements. It has to be a VERY HOT SUNNY day for me to not wear it.

kiersten
post #9 of 54
Q: "Where do you see yourself in five years?"

A: At home with a work related injury.

So, no, I don't wear a helmet.
post #10 of 54
I wear a helmet, and I don't take any more risks because I wear it.

I split my skiing between here in the East (Tremblant) and west (Whistler) so I get to see the full range of snow conditions. I look on the helmet as a bit of insurance, doesn't hurt to wear it, and it may help.

It's also warm on cold days, and has great ventilation for warm days. If I'm hiking i might take it off on the way up, otherwise it's on all the time.
post #11 of 54
Just a little fact that we proved in one of my physics and engineering classes:

Helmets are null in void after 13 MPH.

This is also stated on many boxes, meaning that ocne you are moving at a speed over 13 MPH, your helmet won't offer any more protection than your skull does, but it will keep whatever might want to come out, in until you get to the hospital.

But to answer your question. When I was a professional racer, yes, I did wear a helmet, but now that I only ski for fun, I only wear one on cold days.
post #12 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by Jellis1323:
[QB]Just a little fact that we proved in one of my physics and engineering classes:

Helmets are null in void after 13 MPH.
QB]
I beg to differ. Seeing as you took a physics class you should know better. Change in momentum = Force X Time. The more cushion and protection you have on your head, the longer it takes for your head to slow down. If you hit a tree head on, there is nothing to slow it down gradually, but with a helmet, it gives it that extra quarter of a second to slow down, which is crucial. It's why we wear seatbelts, it's why dashboards are padded; more time to slow down. Wouldnt you rather jump from your roof onto an asphalt driveway, or a giant sheet of thin wood? Probably the wood, even though it would break, it would slow down your impact time.

Personally I just think your dumb not to wear a helmet. It's like not wearing a seatbelt or not wearing a helmet when biking.
post #13 of 54
My understanding is that a helmet doesn't work like a "crush zone" but instead spreads out the impact over a wider area, thus reducing the point impact force.


The speed limit also has to do with the "second crash"; that is, the one where your brain comes up against the inside of the skull. That's really the one that causes the big damage.
post #14 of 54
OF COURSE you don't need a helmet unless you're skiing on hardpack, and then only if you're skiing less than 13mph. I mean, after all, there aren't other people on the slopes who might hit you. Or trees you might hit. Or rocks. And of course, a helmet won't do a bit of good if you're skiing faster than 13mph because you never glance off objects, or slow once you hit the snow. And hey, you might as well get it over with quickly, right? :
post #15 of 54
No lid , no reason not to , but I do get a kick out of all the self rightiousness of the lid users .
post #16 of 54
Hmmmm, I don't see reports of hundreds of dead skiers before helmets became 'the norm'. Then again, I see little 4 year old kids on their tricycles with helmets too......so, I guess the parents of those 4 year old kids are the ones wearing helmets on the slopes.....The danger is about the same for both.

OVERKILL IMO. (unless your racing or ride on hardpack-ice)
post #17 of 54
Never wore one, so can't vote.
post #18 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by dirtybkr:
I do get a kick out of all the self rightiousness of the lid users .
Couldn't have said it better myself. I wear my helmet about three times a year. Those are the days I think I could potentially die. The other 50 or 60 I'm more worried about the way people are skiing around me than what I'm doing.
post #19 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by MrHyak:
Hmmmm, I don't see reports of hundreds of dead skiers before helmets became 'the norm'. Then again, I see little 4 year old kids on their tricycles with helmets too......so, I guess the parents of those 4 year old kids are the ones wearing helmets on the slopes.....The danger is about the same for both.

OVERKILL IMO. (unless your racing or ride on hardpack-ice)
No greater danger than riding a tricycle? Maybe the way you ski it is. I have broken both legs, survived compression syndrome, boken one thumb, torn my hamstring, fractured my skull, fractured my mandible and seperated my ribs from my sternum. None of those occurred while racing, and only one of those occurred while skiing hardpack.

In addition to a full face helmet, I carry a transceiver and full avi gear, and I wear a back protector/upper body armor, shinguards and a cup. So, do I take more chances with a helmet? Yes.

What about jibbing? Cliff jumping? Riding chutes? Tree skiing? Sure, if you're skiing "Hyak" and staying on the groomers, and your skis stay on the snow, then maybe a helmet is overkill for you. IMO, the people who need helmets, know it and wear them.
post #20 of 54
I wear my helmet because there are all sorts of crazies out there. After getting taken out a couple of times with my noggin banging on ice a helmet seemed a brilliant idea. And .. its warm!
post #21 of 54
Luckily wearing a helmet is a choice.

As anything in life, it's all about choices. Sometimes we make good choices, sometimes we make bad choices.

As for me, I think I made a good choice years ago when I decided it was a good idea for my son to wear a helmet, he was 5 y/o, if it was good for him, it must be good for me too.

Sometimes you only get one chance to make the right choice.
post #22 of 54
Helmets?

I bet there are some corralaries with "the most spectacular wipe out" thread
and those who put value in the choice of helmet use.

The "styrofoam " used as the liner is designed to crush under impact, changing the acceleration profile of the contents.

What's not to like!

CalG
post #23 of 54
I have put my helmet to good use, luckily not life saving type use but I have hit water pipes with my head after sliding down a creek bed about 20 feet. Luck for me the water pipe kept me from going further down into the stream about another 20 feet below me. I stopped with the helmet on the pipe and my left ski tip on the pipe and the tail on the snow. There was nothing but air between the tip and tail.

I was practicing short turns on the edge of the trail when for some reason my right ski came off. I summer saulted over the edge of the trail and began sliding head first.

Over the years the helmet has come in handy many times.
post #24 of 54
I bought a helmet for skiing glades here in the middle atlantic / east. Tree skiing is the one risk that I wouldn't take without a helmet. To fuel the fire, though, what are the negatives of wearing a helmet other than cost, hearing, and ventilation?
post #25 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by Harry Morgan:
No greater danger than riding a tricycle? Maybe the way you ski it is. I have broken both legs, survived compression syndrome, boken one thumb, torn my hamstring, fractured my skull, fractured my mandible and seperated my ribs from my sternum. None of those occurred while racing, and only one of those occurred while skiing hardpack.
Maybe one day your skills will advance enough so you don't keep getting hurt. Until then you better keep your helmet on!
post #26 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by MrHyak:
Maybe one day your skills will advance enough so you don't keep getting hurt. Until then you better keep your helmet on![/QB]
Maybe one day you'll be brave enough to push yourself. Until then, enjoy your groomers!
post #27 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by Harry Morgan:
Maybe one day you'll be brave enough to push yourself. Until then, enjoy your groomers![/quote]

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

BTW, I'm suprised you were able to find a helmet to fit that fat head of yours into. (so full of yourself) If you want to continue with this little piss'n match go ahead, you'll be doing it alone. I won't bore the rest with it.........

Ok, back to helmets..... (sorry all)

[ December 01, 2003, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: MrHyak ]
post #28 of 54
Never worn one ... but just got one. My main reason was comfort, not safety, since I have no illusions about what protection it would give me versus a LIO (large immovable object) at even normal skiing speed, let alone fast. I.E., I've got no religious fervor one way or another.


Hey, I'm macho (still won't wear one on a bike) but you know, I'm just sick of being Really Cold up there at Wildcat. And I figured, hey sometimes you do get a bit of a bump when bouncing down a trail on your side, and what the heck, the helmet will retain the goggles so there's one less thing to retrieve during a yard sale. Besides, I think I might look better in it than that stupid hat I've got.


In the end, maybe it's just like wearing a hardhat; kinda' keeps the odd falling hammer from stopping you from flipping the bird at the guy who dropped it.
post #29 of 54
Ski eastern glades, ski off-trail woods, explore unknown woods, ski hard pack, ski moderate bumps. I've demo'ed a helmet years ago didn't like it so I don't wear one. My choice. Only time I feel I should have one is on hardpack.

The 13 mph comment is true. Motorcycle helmet protect you from hitting the pavement (direct impact speed is usually less than 15 mph, though sliding speeds are much greater) not impacting the guard rail or tree. I'm told MC helmets are designed for an impact in the neighborhood of 15 mph. Its been 20 years since I took physics (so someone correct me is V^2=2as) but I believe a 15 mph impact slowed to a stop with 2 inches of movement (approximate foam thickness of a helmet) is equal to a 40g impact to the head.

While I would never ride a MC without one (mostly for sliding down the pavement and piece of mind), I do ski with out one and support choice made by well informed users.

Lets not become like some MC lists where helmets are discussed endlessly for no reason (neither person is going to change their mind).
post #30 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by BV:
I'm more worried about the way people are skiing around me than what I'm doing.
And that's another good reason to wear one!
If you knew someone was going to drive into you while you're in your car, you'd make sure your seatbelt was on, your headrest adjusted correctly, the airbags functioning, etc.
If you knew for certain that someone else wasn't going to hit you, would you forget about car safety, because you're such a good driver that you never crash?
I mean, I've never had a fatal accident.

Here's a list of some of the things that can cause you to fall/hit your head:
1. Tree trunks
2. Low branches
3. Rocks
4. Anywhere you get air
5. Other people/animals on the slopes (whether in control, out of control, or just sitting there)
6. Chair lifts (long story)
7. Water pipes (see post above)

So, if you want to take the RISK of not wearing one, that's OK with me, just accept the responsibility for your own injuries, even if you think it is someone else's fault.
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