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190 Gotama Mounting (Think Shop Made Mistake)

post #1 of 16
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I ended up buying 08 190 Goats with Jesters. I was hoping to ski them this year, but unfortunately I broke 2 ribs and severly bruised my lower ribs while skiing. I had a trip setup to Squaw in April, but had to cancel - shiat!

With that being said my shop mounted my skis and I never ever thought to ask where they were going to mount. After picking my skis up I discovered that they mounted 3 CM forward from what I believe is the boot center mark. The floor manager and shop manager both insisted that this is where they mount all Goats unless instructed otherwise. They said it would give good performance on "groomers" and still provide great float in POW. However, all the reading I have done I cannot find anywhere where someone mounted 3 CM forward.

In case they are needed I am 6'5", 210 lbs, athletic and aggressive skier.

What do you all advice? I got a bad feeling they should not have done anymore than 1 CM forward of boot center line.

Buckeye
post #2 of 16
There are two 'lines' on the ski (actually they are 'X' markings).

3cm forward from the rearward line is an excellent default mount point.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
There are two 'lines' on the ski (actually they are 'X' markings).

3cm forward from the rearward line is an excellent default mount point.
Many would disagree. If you search here and at TGR, I think you'll find a consensus that between the boot center mark and BC+1 is where most people feel gives the best results. While you want decent groomer and crud performance, you also want that deliberately designed long tip to do its job in powder.

However, if that's where the shop "always" mounts them and the OP did not spec otherwise...
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

Follow Up Question

Thanks for the responses so far... I was surprised as when I talked to the tech he was adamant that the +3 CM from boot center was the perfect spot for all around performance (good in crud and groomers and since they were 190s I would have plenty of tip for float in POW while being able to control the tips)... I have trips setup for Alaska and Mt. Bachelor next year so skiing in POW is a top priority... However, since this will be my one ski for skiing out West and AK I still want to be able to ski on groomers and also tracked out snow well...

I find I don't like the position of +3 CM from boot cneter will the skis have to be re-drilled if I opt to try the +1 CM from boot center?

Thanks,
Buckeye
post #5 of 16
Yes they will need to be re-drilled... unless you upsize your boots by 60mm, then you'll just have to move the heel.
post #6 of 16
Thats why you do all that research and reading before you ever take the skis in, then when you do, you specify a mounting point.

Expecting a shop to do your homework is silly. For lots of skis, it isn't even about the "right" mounting point, its about the one that suits your size/ability/style/role the skis fill in your quiver/etc. Its your job to figure out where will be best for you.
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

Valid Point

Maggot,

I agree with you... Not making any excuses, but for all of my other ski purchases I never ever had to worry about mounting point... Most of my skis are carving and GS skis and the mounting spot was typically never a pick the "one that best suits you and your ability"... I just did not think to ask when buying the skis... I just figured the ski manf. had a recommended spot and that was it... Never owned a twin tip or a POW ski, but I can promise you after this I will def. ask...

The +3 may work and I will certainly try them before I make any changes... But everything I read +1 seems to be the point most are recommending... I trust my shop a great deal and find it hard to believe they are off base on their recommendation... It will def. be bummed if I have to re - drill brand new skis because of my ignorance...

Buckeye
post #8 of 16
I ski the 190s on the FR line which is the rearmost. Like a longer tip so it's perfect for me. Can't imagine to mount +3 since I'm not a trickster.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post
Maggot,

I agree with you... Not making any excuses, but for all of my other ski purchases I never ever had to worry about mounting point... Most of my skis are carving and GS skis and the mounting spot was typically never a pick the "one that best suits you and your ability"... I just did not think to ask when buying the skis... I just figured the ski manf. had a recommended spot and that was it... Never owned a twin tip or a POW ski, but I can promise you after this I will def. ask...

The +3 may work and I will certainly try them before I make any changes... But everything I read +1 seems to be the point most are recommending... I trust my shop a great deal and find it hard to believe they are off base on their recommendation... It will def. be bummed if I have to re - drill brand new skis because of my ignorance...

Buckeye

Yea, I have learned to give shop employees as little room for error as possible. Specify EXACTLY what you want, and don't accept any deviation.
And yea, fatter skis can have a lot of variables that affect mounting point, tip shape, whether its pintailed or not, twin tip, swallowtail, etc. Also, especially around the width of the gotama you are going to find some people using them as a pure powder ski, and some people using them as an everyday ski, so who knows where the shop will mount them if left to thier own devices.

Lesson learned though huh? Ski em, and if you don't like the mount, its not the end of the world to redrill em.
post #10 of 16
Personally I don't think it's a big deal either way. I ski the public enemy at +5 and skied them @ +2. I don't notice much of a difference at all! I'm not a super anal type. I rarely sharpen my edges any more just wax and rip faster and better than I ever have. A cm or 3 here or there won't matter unless you think it will. Then it will be in your head and bother you.
My advise just rip. You may like them better where they are.
post #11 of 16
When they mounted my Gots they asked me if i wanted it mounted all mountain.

I said yes, all mountain. I assume the alternative would have been a further back mounting for exclusive use off the groomed
post #12 of 16
Buckeye, might want to read my new Gear Review thread where I try five different mount points on 07-08 183 Goats. Assuming your X to X distance is roughly 5 cm (probably bit more on a 190) your mount point is between my +1.5 and my "true center" X setting. IMO, at your size, you'll want to remount unless you plan to ski groomed when you're not doing a lot of tricks in the air...
post #13 of 16

2008 Gotama Mount Point

I have 183's and mounted them +2 for "all mountain versatility" and because the tail looked short to my eye.

They felt twitchy and tip dove on soft snow, so I had 'em moved back to the rear X.

I like them much better there.

On the 190's it may not be so pronounced, so try 'em before you remount.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks Guys

I am def. not looking for a park or trick ski (not a teenager anymore)... I have a Utah trip setup early next year and than I have a late winter Alaska trip... The Goat was purchased to ski pow so this is what I am most interested in... I received a note from Volkl and they stated for my size and the 190 that I should mount dead on the boot center mark... +3 would work if I was looking for better handling on groomers, but there would be a good chance of going over the handle bars in the powder... I am going to try them out first, but feel I will be moving them... Regardless, I have been a Volkl fan since the Renntiger days and know I will absolutely love the ski...

Beyond, I did read your review and it provided a great deal of info... I don't know if I missed it, but do you have demo bindings on your Goats?

Thanks for all of the responses!

Buckeye (still trying to get the ribs to heal)
post #15 of 16
No, I had Tyrolia Railflex's, which are designed to be adjustable on-slope, and permit even more tinkering if you want to change the boot position on the underneath track.
post #16 of 16
I have an XBS on my piste skis that I can move around like a demo and can easily notice .5cm of variation in fore/aft. It's like two different pairs of skis. The difference is so strong that I do actually adjust them as the snow changes.

On a side note, I wouldn't feel so bad about not specifying because you didn't think to do so. Obviously the shop didn't think to ask. "That's where we always mount them." is a crock of crap. They didn't do their job of educating the customer and inquiring on a VERY important aspect of customer service. Quite frankly, I can't imagine a shop not asking.

Besides, it's not like the 190's won't turn on groomers if you mount them boot-center. If you grew up on straight skis and are used to driving the tip, you'll likely prefer a boot-center mount.

I'd remount. I wouldn't expect a new ski, but I would expect a free remount just due to the fact that they didn't bother to ask. Then again, I live in Japan where customer service is something people take pride in. When I go home, I cringe at how rude people can be in shops, etc. It's quite the reverse culture-shock.
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