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post #91 of 97
Rio, you're right, I should join the fray. After reading the lines of "reasoning" in the 152 or so posts, I wasn't lead to believe I had any functional input to offer so I opted out.

It is a waste of time to me to respond with any intelligent reply when many of the good points on both sides of this debate have been obviously ignored or shouted down for a predisposed, irritatingly obvious "agenda" or viewpoint. It makes me too ornery to lucidly express myself well. One of my many shortcomings I suppose. Thanks for responding to my frustrated post. Sorry if it bothered anyone.
post #92 of 97
I still believe that if the ratio of boarders to skiers gets up to 80% they will soon have a boarder only area.
post #93 of 97
Hey Nakona, the answer (to the original question) is simple. They don't want to be on the same hill with a bunch of boarders either! Like the drunk who won't go to AA meetings because "those folks are REALLY f'd up!".
post #94 of 97
If the ratio of boarders to skiers reaches 80 per cent, the skiing world as we know it will not exist. Simple reason, boarders do not spend enough money in and around the resorts to keep them operating. The majority of boarders don't bring their families on trips, dump $2500 on airfare, another $2500 on lodging, $1200 on lift tickets, another $2000 on food, clothes and trinkets, like the average ski family. Were it not for thousands of families like this the resorts would fold. It's only the locals who take advantage of three area all season ski passes for $199. How long would you think Vail would last on the average boarders spending habits? How about Whistler? A Basin could you say? I'd say it's like this. Your average boarder shows up at the resort. Back packs the entire days meals, with drinks. Probably has a discount pass or borrowed one from a friend who couldn't make it that day. Might only have enough money for a cold brew after, but only one cause he spent his spare cash on some good bud. If 80% of the people at the resort were like him, how long would it be able to operate? My friends, it's the poor smucks like me who dump an average of $4500 on the annual ski trip that floats the locals boat.
post #95 of 97
I respectfully disagree Lars. Lots of factors come into play, especially local vs destination resorts. Bogus Basin dropped season pass prices to $199, the mountain saw a huge increase in boarder to skier ratio. Revenues doubled in all departments: instruction, rental, food & beverage and lift tickets and most importantly net receipts.

It’s a small resort catering to the local market. I look at my colleagues at work: we tend to be over 35 year’s old, professionals with advanced degrees and kids. Pretty much an even split between riders and skiers, plus often the skiers are taking their kids up the hill to board.

That’s my experience, I don’t claim it will hold for Sun Valley, Keystone or elsewhere.
post #96 of 97
Also - right now the average age of snowboarders is still young compared to skiers. As they age, get "real jobs", get married and have kids . . . they will start spending more $.
post #97 of 97
Business Proposition

Find me some backers and I will turn Berthoud Pass into the best dam snowboard only ski resort in the world. Cat skiing for all comers of course.

Screams of indignation .... but it does make some sound logistic, terrain and fiscal sense.

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