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post #61 of 76
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
Hasn't it been that way for years now?
Yes.... could you throw any sort of weight distribution wild guesses or better yet, hard facts offcourse!

BTW, I missed Kalle practissing at the same resort we had our final competition yesterday..... what better than asking him personally. Now I gotta wait until next year, darn....
post #62 of 76
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Originally Posted by anilson View Post
The "trend" is to hit the fall line on both edges, with parallel feet.
Does this apply to Jens Byggmark ? How much of his technique is teachable (learnable) ?
post #63 of 76
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
Yes.... could you throw any sort of weight distribution wild guesses or better yet, hard facts offcourse!

BTW, I missed Kalle practissing at the same resort we had our final competition yesterday..... what better than asking him personally. Now I gotta wait until next year, darn....
I wouldn't draw the line... Just say that they aim for both edges, if you start talking 50-50, 80-20 it's to misleading and people get confused. It's all about situation and adopting to circumstances.
Both edges, wide split between the legs when you have full edging and banking to keep pressure.
post #64 of 76
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Originally Posted by Biowolf View Post
Does this apply to Jens Byggmark ? How much of his technique is teachable (learnable) ?
It does apply, but he's skiing so much on the edge (and have like 50-50 to get down in a race)
It' learnable but not teachable if you see what I mean.

When consider the Swe skiers in this years WC, None of them has succeed and they all have had problem with the new FIS regulation on skis.
They miss out the angulation and have had hard time to get the early edging started, "getting" the grip before hitting the fall line with full power (witch means that they lose grip and start drifting)
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by anilson View Post
The "trend" is to hit the fall line on both edges, with parallel feet.
Could you be more specific, please. Do you mean the inside ski is weighted untill you hit the fall line? And after that ? I get the feeling you know a lot about WC skiing and I am trying to pick your brain.
post #66 of 76
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Originally Posted by anilson View Post
It does apply, but he's skiing so much on the edge (and have like 50-50 to get down in a race)
It' learnable but not teachable if you see what I mean.

When consider the Swe skiers in this years WC, None of them has succeed and they all have had problem with the new FIS regulation on skis.
They miss out the angulation and have had hard time to get the early edging started, "getting" the grip before hitting the fall line with full power (witch means that they lose grip and start drifting)
Again, do you mean their failure of achieving early edge pressure is because they dont angulate enough or not early enough ?
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by Biowolf View Post
Could you be more specific, please. Do you mean the inside ski is weighted untill you hit the fall line? And after that ? I get the feeling you know a lot about WC skiing and I am trying to pick your brain.
You go from a transition with both skies equally weighted and you'll keep "edge" on both skies but the pressure will decrease until you hit the fall line (still with edge on both skies but weighted to your outside ski, to much on you inside and you'll fly out) and then to get the power forward and sideways (to get yourself to the next gate) you'll increase pressure and then it goes on.
post #68 of 76
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Originally Posted by Biowolf View Post
Again, do you mean their failure of achieving early edge pressure is because they dont angulate enough or not early enough ?
A combination; they don't angulate enough early enough and the result is that you can't build up your edging (carving) support early in the turn.
Because of the change FIS regulation the skies are wider and therefor you need to be more precise and a gentle when you start your edging, if you have slightest drift you'll keep that trough the turn and you'll be late to the next gate.
I'll try to find a video of this so that I could explain more.
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by anilson View Post
A combination; they don't angulate enough early enough and the result is that you can't build up your edging (carving) support early in the turn.
Because of the change FIS regulation the skies are wider and therefor you need to be more precise and a gentle when you start your edging, if you have slightest drift you'll keep that trough the turn and you'll be late to the next gate.
I'll try to find a video of this so that I could explain more.
What FIS regulation change?
post #70 of 76
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
What FIS regulation change?
SL, minimum width from 60 to 63mm and I think that a lot of manufactures went to 66mm in width, and thats quite a big change.
post #71 of 76
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Originally Posted by anilson View Post
You go from a transition with both skies equally weighted and you'll keep "edge" on both skies but the pressure will decrease until you hit the fall line (still with edge on both skies but weighted to your outside ski, to much on you inside and you'll fly out) and then to get the power forward and sideways (to get yourself to the next gate) you'll increase pressure and then it goes on.
Would you agree that pressuring the skis that way reduces the turn radius because it allows the outside ski to come around quicker which later in the turn makes it possible to apply more power ?
post #72 of 76
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Originally Posted by Biowolf View Post
Would you agree that pressuring the skis that way reduces the turn radius because it allows the outside ski to come around quicker which later in the turn makes it possible to apply more power ?
Yes I would, trick is to keep edge on your inner ski trough the turn and vario the pressure and the stance, to narrow stance and you'll fly out, to wide and you don't get sufficient pressure on you're outside ski. And you'll always stronger in two legs then in one so this allow you to have higher speed and you could have higer pressure on you're skies.
post #73 of 76
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Originally Posted by anilson View Post
SL, minimum width from 60 to 63mm and I think that a lot of manufactures went to 66mm in width, and thats quite a big change.
You'd probably find that the SL ski width rule went into effect to keep skis from getting narrower - I would venture NO SL skis were being used that were under 63mm even prior to the rule change.
post #74 of 76
Looks good. For me, legs are a little too wide, which looks ungainly.The arms don't seem to be doing anything, but overall great turns.
I just think "tighten up" when I see this.
Wish I could ski in Zermatt. Hiked around the Matterhorn once, it was beautiful.
post #75 of 76
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Originally Posted by squawbomber View Post
Looks good. For me, legs are a little too wide, which looks ungainly.The arms don't seem to be doing anything, but overall great turns.
I just think "tighten up" when I see this.
Wish I could ski in Zermatt. Hiked around the Matterhorn once, it was beautiful.
Thanks for your nice feedback. I agree that the arms look static in the clip but great effort has been put in to minimize arm and upper body movements. Its more of a drill than actual skiing. I used to ski with my skis together so I have tried to open up. My focus was also not to skate at transition and have my skis diverge too much. You can see that in a few of the turns. Im striving for simultanious leg movements. How should I "tighten it up"?

Zermatt is a great resort with Cervinia just arround the corner.
post #76 of 76

hmmm

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Originally Posted by Biowolf View Post
Could you be more specific, please. Do you mean the inside ski is weighted untill you hit the fall line? And after that ? I get the feeling you know a lot about WC skiing and I am trying to pick your brain.
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