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Is it worth having both Mantra and Gotama

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Just curious if there is enough difference to have both in quiver. Mantra for anything under 5" Gots for anything over 5"?
post #2 of 16
I personally think its a lot of overlap. The two skis differ in width by 9 mm however they differ in stiffness....the Mantra being a bit stiffer which results in good hardpack performance. Why not create a bigger difference and performance envelope in your quiver...like say 85-90..waist 105-110mm...also depends on where you ski...wider for the West and skinnier for the East.
post #3 of 16
I wouldn't do it. They are both very good skis... but there's no reason for anyone to own both. I'd look at a ski like the Mythic Rider or iM88 for a 'less than 5" ski' and I'd consider something better in soft snow for a 'more than 5" ski', there are better choices than the Goat. So I guess what I'm saying is, I wouldn't own either.
post #4 of 16
I own both but find that I have little use for the Mantra. The Goat is a better ski for deep snow and there is other stuff that I like better than the Mantra when it's not deep. My own keepers for those two slots are the Goat and the MR, but there are a lot of good skis in both positions.

FWIW: Personally, I don't find 5" of snow to be real challenging and the Goats don't come out until it's a fair bit deeper than that.

That's just me.

SJ
post #5 of 16
Here in the East, we'll take 5" fresh anyday! : You guys out West are just spoiled!! :
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
what is the difference between the Mythic Rider and the MR Fluid?
post #7 of 16
Yeah, this 5" = trivial is sickening. But anyway, I currently own a Goat, have owned another Goat and a Mantra. Mostly side with SJ and Whiteroom that there's too much overlap to justify both, and in all honesty, the Goat has more of the Mantra's territory covered than vice versa. Also agree that a high 80's, fairly burly all mountain makes more sense as a companion to the Goat, which is not all that stiff.

That said, though, if I could only own one ski to use all day every day everywhere, it'd be a Mantra. Because it's only advantages over the Goat are precisely in the jumbled conditions that most places have most of the time, especially in hard or rough snow. And its disadvantages center more on cruising in soft chop and serious powder, which are rarer. So IMO, it's just a bit safer as a travel ski. If I lived at or near a big western mountain, I'd go for (c) neither of the above...
post #8 of 16
gotama covers a wider range of conditions, speeds, and turns shape than the mantra. get the gotama first axe the mantra
post #9 of 16
The wider Got will make more out of 2-5 inches of powder than the Mantra, so it's not just a go-to ski for > 5 inches. I agree with Bush on the range.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
it's only advantages over the Goat are precisely in the jumbled conditions that most places have most of the time, especially in hard or rough snow. And its disadvantages center more on cruising in soft chop and serious powder, which are rarer. So IMO, it's just a bit safer as a travel ski. If I lived at or near a big western mountain, I'd go for (c) neither of the above...
I live in Boulder and am quite happy with the Mantra as my one-ski quiver at this point. The belief that we are constantly in many inches of powder in Colorado is just not true. Jumbled conditions is what we are faced with most of the time. I sometimes imagine that people who post on here about their gigantic pow skis are the guys I see skiing jumbled crap with reverse camber DEEP pow skis. While the Mantra is clearly not the MOST ideal powder ski, it is by no, NO means unpleasant to ski in it, even here in the West.

ETA: I would NOT get a Goat as a 2nd ski. No way in hell...
post #11 of 16
Waste of money. Buy the goats and call it good.
post #12 of 16
It's interesting you are having this discussion. I am 5'9", 175 lbs, 51, and competent skier. I purchased the 183 gots this year, in part because of the mesiah-like following from everyone on these, and particularly this forum. I ski Baker, and yes it's deep stuff, and yes I love it here, and I like the gots ... ok, but I'm not certain it is the ski that fits me best. My ski preferences are making tighter turns. I like followinig the 'boarders in narrow chutes and tight trees, and I believe now, at least for me, the gots don't fit me as perfectly as I had hoped. I also ski the bc some, and then and only then it seems the gots shine for me. I have rented the 177 Mantra's several times this winter, and every time it just seems so much easier for me. Easier to carve, easier in tight chutes and trees. I feel I'm in better control, etc. I'm not positive the length isn't somewhat attributable, (183 vs 177) and I introspectively wonder if the gots aren't just too much ski for me, but I like the Mantra's a lot. Am I wrong, would I like other skies even more, such as the MR's, the Watea 94's, even the pro legends? It would be soo nice to LOVE one ski most all the time. And in summary, once again, I'm contemplating trading gots for something else. Your opinions/ideas are all welcome. Please
post #13 of 16
I'm gonna try the watea 101 for a one ski solution........I just hope they don't bend in the bumps....
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by mtbakersnow View Post
And in summary, once again, I'm contemplating trading gots for something else. Your opinions/ideas are all welcome. Please
You been out on some Shamans? The 173 has a 15m turning radius. The 161 has a 12. Both are riots. I pretty much use my 173 Shamans every day here at the Butte. They're great in the trees and a ton of fun in chutes.
post #15 of 16
Odd, because I'm 164 lbs, own the 183, find it fairly quick in tight spaces, easy to turn. Not as quick as my old 177 Mantras, but more, ah, slithery. Only complaint is that it's not quite beefy enough for rough heavy chop at any speed.
post #16 of 16
I know! I'm not saying it isn't odd, just the way it is. It seems like, for whatever reason the 177 Mantra's fit me better than the 183 gots. I haven't demoed the 184 Mantra's but would like too. On this sight, it appears the watea's, maybe the the mythic rider's would be good options too?
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