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Best Carver in the Bumps?

post #1 of 44
Thread Starter 
Just got back to skiing from snowboarding. Forgot how much I love moguls. I'm skiing a pair of 175 RX6's and find I sometimes get hung up in a turn when in the bumps. I took the RX6's over the RX8's as I thought they'd be more forgiving.

I've been toying with the idea of picking up a pair of bump skis (Cabrawler, PE) but would like to be able to ski steep groomers, too. I ski 20 to 25 days a year in New England and find that sometimes everthing will be groomed.

Can anybody lead me to a strong carver that'll work in the bumps? If not, is there another type of ski that'd work for me?
post #2 of 44
If you're into doing zipper line bumps I recommend checking out the Cabrawler (or by its new name Mamba). It's surprisingly good on steep groomers. I'd rather ski it than the PE in either of those conditions.
post #3 of 44

my .02

bumpfreaq is likely to be a much better skier than me (even more so in the bumps) but as an aspiring/improving zipperliner I only own the PE. I love it in the bumps and everywhere else from the steeps-trees-and powder. Never skied the cabrawler so can't comment on that but all I can say is that the PE makes a great 1 ski quiver especially if you like the bumps. I ski in CO but grew up on that New England ice, not sure how the PE would do on the super hard ice but out here its been great all over the mountain.
post #4 of 44
Carver skis tend to suck in the bumps.
post #5 of 44
Why not a good bump ski?......HartF17 if you can find a pair or Rossi Moguls........these skis work great on hard pack.
Me, I just hit the bumps on my Fischer Big stix......work better than the carvers.
post #6 of 44
We used to ski bumps with our 205s back in the good old days so now the short carving skis feel like a breeze in the bumps. What sucks in the bumps are racing ski tuning. Detune your gear for the bumps. My one ski quiver has been 165cm short sl skis and they work ok for most of the mountain.

BTW, can you guys describe what a good bump ski should look like, how long it should be and in general how it should be designed.
post #7 of 44
IMO, the biggest thing is specific mogul skis are very soft tip and tail but stiff right under foot. not much side cut and minimal width under foot. a ski with a width < 85 for a normal ski would work well but a specific mogul ski would be much smaller at the waist.
post #8 of 44
WC moguls are about 174?
post #9 of 44
165 is kinda short to look smooth
post #10 of 44
Thas sort of like the Head Mojo Mogul, r=23 @ 171-181 length. Is that a sandwich or a cap-ski?
post #11 of 44
Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
BTW, can you guys describe what a good bump ski should look like, how long it should be and in general how it should be designed.
I don't think a good bump ski needs to be soft in the tip and tail, just not too awful stiff. You probably want it to be a bit shorter than an all mountain ski, but there are plenty of bumpers who would disagree with that. Bump skis tend to take a beating so if it's not pretty beefy construction, don't expect them to last a terribly long time.

Here are the dimensions of most of the bump specific skis available now.
'08 Hart F17: 103.8, 66.6, 89.2
'08 Rossi: 101, 66, 91
'07 Twister: 98, 66, 85
'07 Dragon Slayer: 94, 66, 80
'07 Cabrawler: 92, 66, 82
'08 Rebellion: 89, 63, 78
'08 Head Mojo: 89, 60, 80
post #12 of 44
my 183 gotamas are better in the bumps than the rx6 or rx8. you definitely want something straighter, preferably over a 20m radius, which i don't think qualifies as a carver. that said, if you are catching the tails a lot, you are probably sitting too far back.
post #13 of 44
Thread Starter 
I'm sure I have some technique issues contributing as well. Last year I skied straight 193's and seemed to do as well in bumps as on my 175 RX6s. I guess I should just pick up a pair of bumpers then?

Thanks for the dim's on the available products! I'm guessing I should look for something >180? How about some binding recommendations?
post #14 of 44
I would want something flat on the ski. Also check and see if you need cants......can make a night and day difference in the bumps.
Shaped skiis lock a person into way too long of a radius turn for bumps.....hence the sensation of hanging up the tails.
post #15 of 44
I'm diggin' the Look PX12. Yeah, mounted flat.
post #16 of 44
Yeah I like the Looks too.......got em on my rossi moguls......don't remember which model
post #17 of 44
For bump skiing stick your skiis together with a neutral knee position and see if your ski is flat......if not put cants under the binding.....I use 3 degrees......works better than cuff canting, footbeds, splay, etc etc.
post #18 of 44
Newbie here, but had to pipe in. I'm a female NE skier, and was looking for a bump ski for the winter (don't ski women's skis though). When looking to demo over thanksgiving weekend, got pretty much laughed at...no bumps on the mountain, no dealers even brought a bump ski. Then I realized...the # of days I could actually use an exclusive bump ski I could count on one hand (unfortunately, I'm a weekend skier with many other commitments that only seem to come up when there is a rare NE powder day). So I bagged that. Had been skiing the Volkl 5 stars (168), and loved them...but in the bumps they were just not quick enough. Demo'd a pair of Volkl AC30s that day...and fell in love. Bought a pair a few weeks ago (163) and had a nice afternoon of soft bumps in them so far. Oh my...I love them. They have a 'pop' that my 5 stars didn't have, but they still have the volkl stability and rocket-ness that I love (and need on the hard groomers). I thought I'd have 2 pairs of skis, but my 5 stars are so beat up now...I'm putting them out to pasture (or for my weekly nastar race league). I'm a one quiver skier, and I've found the perfect one. Give them a whirl...spring skiing should be in full force soon and many soft bumps ready for you - but if not, you'll be sure you can handle anything in the east with the AC30s.
post #19 of 44
Go to Outer Limits at Killington and you will find plenty of killer zipper liners(including me) on Trouble Makers. Great ski that kills the bumps. Not great at busting crud though. Oh and the PE good but heavy for bumps.
post #20 of 44
Thread Starter 
I guess I've been lucky. Here in NE I've found bumps everwhere I've skied. Even Jimminy Peak!
post #21 of 44
Originally Posted by peobus View Post
I guess I've been lucky. Here in NE I've found bumps everwhere I've skied. Even Jimminy Peak!
You're right...just depends on if you want VW bug sized icy mounds, or soft-ish moguls. I don't enjoy the icy mounds, I like fresher stuff. The day I took out my AC30s was wonderful, the next day the entire mountain was an ice sheet, nothing was edgeable that wasn't groomed and all glades were closed. Not a ski able bump on the entire mountain (SR). In that case...I'd have needed one ski on Saturday (bump) and an entirely different one on Sunday.
post #22 of 44
Thread Starter 
Great feedback, folks. Two more questions. Who skis their bump skis on the whole mountain and what skis are they?
post #23 of 44
Well, the LIIIs who clinic us force us to do the opposite: ski the bumps with the skis you would normally ski the whole mountain on.

So by that criterion, I would say better bump skis are simply those with lower swing weight. Period. The dominant control force in bump skiing is rotary. To make that easier, reduce the resistance. Easy.

So in the bumps...Watea 94s (186) better than Stöckli DP Pros, better than RC4 SL (161: they weigh a TON), not as good Watea 84s (176), all worse than Salomon Furys...I'm just talking about how heavy the skis feel to swing around. But, still possible to ski bumps with any of the above.
post #24 of 44
Bridger bowl is a perfect example of everything steep getting bumped out......bronco.....everything off deer park......north bowl......
better be able to control your speed......turn turn turn.
I still remember a guy named "Johnny Mogul" ripping down bronco on Dh boards.
post #25 of 44
Light and narrow. This is what bump skis should be.

183 Gotamas - can it be skied in the bumps? Yes. I ski 190 Gots in the bumps. Is it fun? Depends on what the fun definition is - so, I guess, no. It is a work to swing these 190 cm with 105mm underfoot, even though 190 Gotamas are on the light side of 190 fats.

Stiff tail? You better be ready to handle ocassional "shoot in the sky" thing. If not that ready - soft tail, I'd say.

My 2.

post #26 of 44
I think one thing to keep in mind is that most people do not ski the same style as a WC mogul skier. We mortals have to slow things down. I think it is important to have a ski that allows you to stay over the tips and keep them in contact with the snow to control the speed. Unless you're willing to hit the speed threshold where you just hit the tops, I'd say go for a soft ski that won't throw you in the backseat everytime you make a little boo boo. Think of the tip of the ski as the swivel point.
post #27 of 44
Originally Posted by peobus View Post
Great feedback, folks. Two more questions. Who skis their bump skis on the whole mountain and what skis are they?
K2 Cabrawlers. I ski primarily bumps but the Cabrawlers are fun on the groomed, in the trees, in the steeps (what Winter Park has to offer anyway) or pretty much anywhere. I have a few other skis so I won't be on the Cabrawlers if there's more than a foot of fresh, if there's fresh and I'm not looking to ski powder bumps, if it's a side country day or if I'm just not sure what the day will bring.

The last two years I skied primarily bumps as well and the skinniest ski in my quiver was the Volant Chubb V2 (94 under foot). With the Cabrawlers I've had a lot more success with sustained zipper line skiing.
post #28 of 44
Thread Starter 
To me, it looks like the Rossi Scratch Mogul at 101, 66, 91 with a Radius between 17 and 18 should be the best all-around ski of the bunch. Am I missing something?
post #29 of 44
I can see where that conclusion comes from. I've never skied that ski but I've heard peeps say they lack in durability. The Hart F17 has a bigger side cut than the others too. I have no first hand experience with that one either (yet) but it's said to have really burley construction. The new Harts have gotten very good reviews here.
post #30 of 44
OP asked about carvers. Contact Ltd/11/10 or whatever they're calling it next year rocks in bumps, and is a solid carver elsewhere. I'm told the Nordica Mach 3 (non-power) is very easy in bumps, and I've tried the K2 Crossfire, very smooth on stuff like Psycho at Breck.

Now if you eliminate the word "carver" then see above...
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