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Killington Season pass' 08-09 Announced

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Where's Highwaystar when you need him?

http://www.killington.com/winter/pla...ses/index.html
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Alta/Snowbird Unlimited Pass - New Pass Purchase Only more info Unlimited skiing at both Alta and Snowbird ski areas with this one pass. $1,199
Yet another reason to move west.....
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And this season, an unlimited Breckenridge/Keystone/A-Basin pass was $419.

Even so, I will still buy a Killington midweek pass. I will put over 30 days on mine this year, so less than $10/day.
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$649. 15 black out days. Late to open, early to close.

Thanks for posting, TC.
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Right - $649 for a K-Mart "blackout pass" versus "The Epic Season Pass — unlimited and unrestricted skiing/riding at Vail, Beaver Creek, Breckenridge, Keystone and Heavenly for only $579".

Funny stuff. Life's too short to ski K-Mart, particularly when some dimwit thinks it's (apparently) worth a premium.
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Unfortunately, you can't compare pass prices in New England with those in Colorado for areas within day skier distance from Denver. Like it or not, Killington's pass prices are in line with their competition (Okemo, Stratton, Sugarbush). ASC's A41 passes didn't create the same pass price competition in the East that exists in Colorado, so we have to live with a higher price structure in New England. If you don't believe it's competition that drives prices, check out the price of a season pass at Jackson Hole.
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I lost a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 betting that Killington would raise prices at least 10%. I'm quite surprised that pass prices only went up $50.00. With soaring energy costs at the resort, $50.00 probably doesn't even cover Killington's increased costs.

Compared to season pass prices of a decade ago, Killington season passes are a very good deal. For many years, a season pass broke even with 20 ski days and there was no blackout pass. That's $1600 rather than the $1049 they're asking next season. Granted, it's for a 5 month season rather than a 7 month season but it's still less than 5/7ths of the old pass price.
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The wife and I had K passes for ~ 10 years in the 80's, (we had the 20 year bonds they were issuing then). Since we are work-week folks, we mostly skied on weekends with the occasional midweek day off from work.

By the last two years of the passes, we got real tired of dodging the downstate wild bunch. You all know what I mean...they ski like they drive. There wasn't a season when my wife wasn't hit, at least once, by some yahoo. Got to the point where we just let the passes expire and went elsewhere, with a tamer crowd. I can't even imagine what it's like today:!

On to the point....if this escalation in prices doesn't stop, sooner or later, only those with more money than brains will ski. There's only so much a day of anything, (fill in the blank; skiing, golf, etc), is worth. We have become very picky as to the days we go out now. Much of it is from nearly 50 years in the sport and our ages, but a lot of the reason is, to us, just not worth paying nearly $150, (without gas), to slide around on eastern ice on a windy Saturday that the temps are hovering in the teens. Sorry, just rather go to the movies, (that's another story ).

Peace!
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Originally Posted by JimH View Post
Unfortunately, you can't compare pass prices in New England with those in Colorado for areas within day skier distance from Denver. Like it or not, Killington's pass prices are in line with their competition (Okemo, Stratton, Sugarbush). ASC's A41 passes didn't create the same pass price competition in the East that exists in Colorado, so we have to live with a higher price structure in New England. If you don't believe it's competition that drives prices, check out the price of a season pass at Jackson Hole.
ASC's A41 did create competitive price structures with CO - that's part of what killed to golden goose ("gooses" if you add Booth Creek into the mix). The eastern mountains don't each have million plus skier visits like the western mega-sorts. Also most NE mountains are heavily weekend and day trip only. The pass/ticket is a bigger percentage of revenue than the western mountains where destination traffic is high, increasing the opportunity for additional revenue streams.

If you're going to ski every weekend for 23-25 weeks, then flying to CO every weekend to take advantage of a $549 pass is going to get a "little" expensive.
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
The wife and I had K passes for ~ 10 years in the 80's, (we had the 20 year bonds they were issuing then). Since we are work-week folks, we mostly skied on weekends with the occasional midweek day off from work.

By the last two years of the passes, we got real tired of dodging the downstate wild bunch. You all know what I mean...they ski like they drive. There wasn't a season when my wife wasn't hit, at least once, by some yahoo. Got to the point where we just let the passes expire and went elsewhere, with a tamer crowd. I can't even imagine what it's like today:!

On to the point....if this escalation in prices doesn't stop, sooner or later, only those with more money than brains will ski. There's only so much a day of anything, (fill in the blank; skiing, golf, etc), is worth. We have become very picky as to the days we go out now. Much of it is from nearly 50 years in the sport and our ages, but a lot of the reason is, to us, just not worth paying nearly $150, (without gas), to slide around on eastern ice on a windy Saturday that the temps are hovering in the teens. Sorry, just rather go to the movies, (that's another story ).

Peace!
You really need to give Killington a try under the new management. They've done a pretty good job detoxifying the place and it's now delightfully uncrowded most of the time. The parking lots last Sunday looked like a Tuesday in years past. It's pretty rare to have that "run down like a dog" feeling and the worst of the customer base left when they jacked up season prices and killed off all the discount programs. Other than the shortened season, I have no complaints about the new ownership.

If you're complaining about prices, you won't be happy skiing day tickets at Killington. They killed any and all discount programs midwinter though they're running an "any 3 days for $99" web special at the moment. They're really targeting the affluent willing to shell out $79 for their Saturday/Holiday day ticket and who are likely to book their lodging products. As a season pass holder, the prices are still very low. The blackout passes make holiday skiing very uncrowded. Killington is now less busy on Presidents weekend than the weekend before or after.

I have a tough time relating to "Back in the day, I used to.... but the cold and ice...." Enjoy your day at the movies. I'm 49 and I've been skiing every weekend since I was a kid. I know what I'm doing next weekend. I'm going skiing. With a season pass, the cost per day drops down to next to nothing. Technology has pretty much defeated cold weather. You don't have cold feet if you put Hotronics in your boots. Helmets are toasty-warm. Modern fabrics block the wind but still breathe. If you must, use the gondolas to stay out of the weather. Get a high MPG car, put snow tires on it, and go skiing.
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Originally Posted by medmarkco View Post
ASC's A41 did create competitive price structures with CO - that's part of what killed to golden goose ("gooses" if you add Booth Creek into the mix). The eastern mountains don't each have million plus skier visits like the western mega-sorts. Also most NE mountains are heavily weekend and day trip only. The pass/ticket is a bigger percentage of revenue than the western mountains where destination traffic is high, increasing the opportunity for additional revenue streams.

If you're going to ski every weekend for 23-25 weeks, then flying to CO every weekend to take advantage of a $549 pass is going to get a "little" expensive.
You'll certainly not get 23-25 lift serviced weekends in the East anyway, particularly not under K-Mart's new "management" that's cutting their season, and you won't do it with the K-Mart blackout pass anyway with all the blackout dates.

You only need one 10 day trip to get a daily rate that's about half of Vail's normal daily rate, and much less than K-Mart's. And with no blackout dates that's a real potential. Or, you could pay $79 for all those blackout dates at K-Mart :.

Point - K-Mart's pass is not an good value compared to what else is available. If you already have an investment there like housing, then fine, but otherwise save the cash, buy a Vail pass (or a Utah pass) and find "packed powder" that doesn't glisten, holds edges, doesn't sound scratchy, etc. Or better yet, get some real light pow that the first snowboarding twit doesn't scrape down to butlletproof ice - sorry, "packed powder".
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
You'll certainly not get 23-25 lift serviced weekends in the East anyway, particularly not under K-Mart's new "management" that's cutting their season, and you won't do it with the K-Mart blackout pass anyway with all the blackout dates.
But I do... mid-Nov to last week April/first week May every year for a number of years now. It isn't always "pristine" but it's skiing and that's all I care.
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Originally Posted by JimH View Post
And this season, an unlimited Breckenridge/Keystone/A-Basin pass was $419.

Even so, I will still buy a Killington midweek pass. I will put over 30 days on mine this year, so less than $10/day.
$379 for Copper Mounatin/Winter Park.
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Originally Posted by nofun
You'll certainly not get 23-25 lift serviced weekends in the East anyway, particularly not under K-Mart's new "management" that's cutting their season, and you won't do it with the K-Mart blackout pass anyway with all the blackout dates.
The "announced" Killington season is 22 weekends and they're quoted in today's Rutland Herald that they may run longer. I skied lift-serviced at Sunday River the weekend before Killington opened. If Killington actually closes the 2nd weekend in April, I'll ski elsewhere on lift serviced into May. Between Sugarbush, Sunday River, and Sugarloaf, I'm sure somebody will make at least the first weekend of May.

Other than when I was west skiing, I've skied New England every weekend this year. I can't imagine sitting at home on the weekend being miserable when I can be out making turns.
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Originally Posted by medmarkco View Post
But I do... mid-Nov to last week April/first week May every year for a number of years now. It isn't always "pristine" but it's skiing and that's all I care.
It's not open that late anymore under the new management, and if you were going to get all those weekends under a pass it's over $1k: which now makes the Vail or other passes an even more compelling argument, bordering on a no-brainer.

I prefer to think of skiing as involving snow versus the usual K-Mart cover. I've been going to K-Mart for over 40 years, and have come to the point where I take quality over quantity. Wish I had that Vail pass now for my Tahoe trip next week.
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
It's not open that late anymore under the new management, and if you were going to get all those weekends under a pass it's over $1k: which now makes the Vail or other passes an even more compelling argument, bordering on a no-brainer.

I prefer to think of skiing as involving snow versus the usual K-Mart cover. I've been going to K-Mart for over 40 years, and have come to the point where I take quality over quantity. Wish I had that Vail pass now for my Tahoe trip next week.
I have 40 lift-serviced days at Killington so far this year. My non-blackout pass will end up averaging out to $20/day. The cost of the pass is lost in the noise compared to transportation and housing costs (or my bar tab).
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
It's not open that late anymore under the new management, and if you were going to get all those weekends under a pass it's over $1k: which now makes the Vail or other passes an even more compelling argument, bordering on a no-brainer.

I prefer to think of skiing as involving snow versus the usual K-Mart cover. I've been going to K-Mart for over 40 years, and have come to the point where I take quality over quantity. Wish I had that Vail pass now for my Tahoe trip next week.
Not me. I'm a skier and not a vacationer. I prefer to ski every chance I can get regardless of conditions, rather than wait to trip it a couple of times a year. Not that I don't add a trip or two on top.

$1k - pfft. Cheap at twice the price if you're really going to ski.

For the record I'm a western transplant to NE and I left K-ton long ago for less chaotic skiing. But, if it was all I could get to I'd still do it.
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Sorry...my outlook, (as pesimistic as it may be), is we just don't get really good conditions here in the NE very often anymore. If you think that by skiing every weekend on what's there and it's great, you're suffering from a case of "lowered expectations".
My money is hard earned and I don't like to spend it on crap.
It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it!
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Originally Posted by medmarkco View Post
Not me. I'm a skier and not a vacationer. I prefer to ski every chance I can get regardless of conditions, rather than wait to trip it a couple of times a year. Not that I don't add a trip or two on top.

$1k - pfft. Cheap at twice the price if you're really going to ski.

For the record I'm a western transplant to NE and I left K-ton long ago for less chaotic skiing. But, if it was all I could get to I'd still do it.
Okey doke, I'm a vacationer : - So far this season for this couch potato -

Whistler - 10 days
Utah (various locations) - 12 days
Steamboat - 5 days
Vail - 1 day
Lake Louise - 2 days
Mt Snow - 4 days

Upcoming - Tahoe -5 days, Utah -3 (maybe 4), Whistler - 4 (maybe 6). Chile isn't out of the question.

And for the record, I'm rarely miserable on the couch while it's spitting rain or ridiculouly cold on an old slow chair on Bear to slide down a vertically challenged ice patch - other opinions apparently differ. Enjoy. Depends on your definition of skiing apparently.
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Originally Posted by GeoffD View Post
I have 40 lift-serviced days at Killington so far this year. My non-blackout pass will end up averaging out to $20/day. The cost of the pass is lost in the noise compared to transportation and housing costs (or my bar tab).
That's a lot of days at one mountain, especially Killington. You're right about the cost of lift tix vs all the other costs - gas. If you are going to ski 40 days at Killington it's a no brainer.

But what about the other mountains. Just up the road is MRG and Stowe. Sounds like you get stuck in one place because of the pass. That is one thing that I liked about the black out pass. It made it easy to go elsewhere and add some diversity. There are a lot of people who season pass at Killington and never go an hour north. Killington just isn't a good enough mountain to be there that often.

Attendance was down this season. If gas continues to go up, next year will be a tough year for Killington. That will add to the value of the pass.
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
And for the record, I'm rarely miserable on the couch while it's spitting rain or ridiculouly cold on an old slow chair on Bear to slide down a vertically challenged ice patch - other opinions apparently differ. Enjoy. Depends on your definition of skiing apparently.
Yeah, skiing in the East is cold and the snow is nearly always challenging. Your travel schedule is nice if you can do it, but I run a ski budget much closer to the bone. I ski in the east and make the best of it - east coast skiing good. It's true, sometimes it's too cold, or rainy or maybe not enough snow, but that is the exception as far as I am concerned.

You are lucky to be able to do that much travelling, to have the time and the money.

I like to complain and I complain a lot, but skiing in the East is ok by me. If I skied out west I suppose my expectations would change.
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Killington just isn't a good enough mountain to be there that often.


Rarely are 12 words so accurate.
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
Okey doke, I'm a vacationer : ... Depends on your definition of skiing apparently.
By your definition of skiing that’s what I would have to be. Ain’t gonna happen.

When I first moved east, I thought these mole hills weren’t worth the effort. Nothing like sitting on the couch and realizing I could be sliding down a mountain to change a perspective. If we all waited to ski the real thing, there’d be 50 million people at one of the few “real mountains” in the country. Oh joy.

After spending the $$ you do to travel/ski, you’d honestly begrudge some average Joe with 10 days annual vacation the opportunity to ski all season long for $1k? Is he only permitted to like “your” definition of skiing? Elitist, no?
post #24 of 26
For the record, Killington's pass prices are up $50 across the board from last years early prices. And if you adjust for inflation, the prices are below what existed prior to the ASC A41 program. Not bad considering they have announced $8.4 milliion in improvements for next season including replacing the Skye Peak chair with a detachable.

For those that live and work in the east, going out west for more than a week vacation is probably out of the question. So if you are going to ski more than 15 days in the east, a pass makes a lot of sense. Sure you are locked into a mountain (or 2 or 3), but that's part of the deal. So pick your mountain(s) and enjoy the sliding!
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Originally Posted by medmarkco View Post
After spending the $$ you do to travel/ski, you’d honestly begrudge some average Joe with 10 days annual vacation the opportunity to ski all season long for $1k? Is he only permitted to like “your” definition of skiing? Elitist, no?

This average Joe just changed jobs around Labor Day. I went from 5 weeks vacation to 12 days plus 2 floaters. I have free places to stay at lots of resorts and something north of a half-million frequent flyer miles with little time to use them. I'm time-challenged, not money challenged. If I had to limit my skiing to west of the Mississippi and a summer trip to Chile (I go most years), I wouldn't get in many days. Besides, weekend skiing is as much a social activity as it is outdoor recreation. If I look at my cell phone speedcall list, more'n half of the people have some connection to Killington. If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably pick a mountain farther north in Vermont but, at age 49, my next mountain ain't gonna be in the Northeast.
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My vision has to be messed up in a big way. I just looked at the Boyne Site and it looks like their season pass is $1,799.00 That can't be correct. Can it?
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