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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I'm looking for a little help on selecting some new skis, hoping to take advantage of the end of season deals. I'm 6-2, 215lbs, level 9. I perfer to ski mostly steeps, bumps but will play around on almost anything. I don't have a lot of interest in groomers, rails or flat out speed. Most of my skiing is in Alberta and east BC on the typical mixed bag of tracked, powder and some hard packed.
I'm currently on '04 Atomic M8, 182's which were fine when our kids were getting started but now i think I need an upgrade just to keep up

On the list so far are;

K2 recon
Rossi B83
Volkl AC40
or should i be looking at freeride skis?

Thoughts??

Thanks,

Roco
post #2 of 18
IMO those are freeride skis. Only one of those would be great.

Oh yea, welcome to EPIC
post #3 of 18
Ive skied on the b3 they are a nice soft ski, great on hardpack, ok in bumps, pretty good in powder.

Even if you dont ski the park twintips are a great choice for the all round skier. Just mount them back and they will happily do gs turns, or short swings. They are good in the bumps to. They are almost indistructable if you dont ski rails also.
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
thanks for the input. i've got a couple of other questions too....first, some people are recommending for the type of skiing i enjoy i should go shorter, into the 170's. I feel that mid 180's is right for me being 6'-2" 215. Also, i assume that a longer ski is better suited to my weight and will be more durable for me. second, it seems to me that at lot of sales people get hung up on radius. If a good portion of my turns are swing turns should I really care that much about this? any suggestions on park skis?

thanks,

roco
post #5 of 18
roco, I'd say no shorter than 175cm. I'm 6'1" 195lb and all my skis are in the 175-186cm range (shorter for groomers, longer for free-ride).
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
So, I still haven't purchased anything yet, but skiing at Fernie BC this weekend I borrowed Rossi B83's and Head IM82. Both were 184 ish. The Heads realy wern't for me. I found them heavy and a little resistant to start a turn. The Rossi were a blast, soft but realy stable (suprising so, for the amount of flex). Snow conditions were a little hard packed on Sat morning but soften up in the afternon, quite slushy by the end of the day. Sunday (closing day) was amazing with ~ 8" overnight and in the morning. Anything up high and North facing was just like mid Jan snow. Anyways, back to the question. What other skis should I consider? B83 are currently at the top of the list. I'd still like to demo K2 Recons and maybe Elan 888. Anything else you can recomend, knowing that I didn't like the heads?

Thanks,
post #7 of 18
There are many, many great skis that could fit the bill. Here are a few that work well in varied conditions out here...

Dynastar Mythic Rider (great all purpose ski for out west - less side cut = less hooky in broken snow). Nordica Afterburner (more of a carving oriented wider ski - not so great for off piste, IMHO). For twins, Dynastar Big Trouble, Line Prophet 90, Volkl Bridge, K2 Public Enemy or Seth.
post #8 of 18
I was looking at similar skis at the beginning of this season, and ended up getting some b3's (last year's version of the b83, no changes except color that i know of) mostly because they were all i could get a hold of at a reasonable price. I'm 5'10" and 150 lbs, and ski 176s at your level. I've been really pleased skiing them 18 days so far mostly at stevens pass in washington, but also loveland, beaver creek and crystal. they excel in soft snow both on and off-piste, are good in bumps and have been really predictable and fun to ski. my complaint would be that their edge grip on rock hard groomers isn't great, but that's not what they're meant for. weather or not you end up with the b83s, i think this is a good type of all around ski to look at. i've heard a lot of good things about the dynstar legend 8000 and mythic rider too. good luck.
post #9 of 18
Alberto
Have you skied both the Mythic Rider and Prophet 90 and can you contrast the performance?
I am torn between which to keep since I bought both (Lines on e-bay after the Mythics ordered from a vendor) Both are new.
I tried some Mythics on a hot thick crud day and they were good, but I worry that they may be too stiff for powder.
Thanks
post #10 of 18
My buddy has a well kept pair of Elan 666s (184s) with the Tyrolia integrated binding that I got from skier219 that would fit the bill. I got 'em from skier219 for $250 shipped, and I'm sure my buddy would pass them on to you for no more than that. (He's figured out that he's a level 7, and that they're about 5-6 cm too long for him.) The skis are in Tahoe right now, but PM me if you want me to see if they're available.

FWIW, get skier219's opinion on the Elans. I mean, these were his actual skis.

FWIWII, I'm 6'1", 171lbs, and had the 666s in 176 and they were a tad short (which is why I bought the 184s from skier219). However, I got a pair of Volkl Gotamas and my buddy liked the Elans, so I moved them along. The Elans are great in less than 6-10", smooth on the bumps, and have a very GS feel to them.

as far as the other skis you mentioned:

I didn't like the Recons, they're dead.

B83s, if they're anything like B3s, are a little soft.

AC40 is stiffer/wider, but I thought the M666s were smoother in bumps.

If you go "freeride" skis for all around, check out the Gotama, the Dynastar XXL, etc.
post #11 of 18
The M666 is a great ski. Very smooth and strong, but has a lot of energy for spirited carving. The only downside to me is the weight -- with two layers of titanium, they are hefty. That has its plusses, but makes the skis too burly in powder. Otherwise, it's a great ski that can cruise on groomers, zip around in bumps, and demolish crud. The current Elan Magfire skis follow the same formula. The Fischer "Heat" models are similar too. I think the Head iM78 and 82 are other great skis in this category. They are not as spunky as the Elans or Fischers, but are smooth and have a lot of energy in the bottle.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by roco View Post
Hi all,

I'm 6-2, 215lbs, level 9. I perfer to ski mostly steeps, bumps but will play around on almost anything. I don't have a lot of interest in groomers, rails or flat out speed. Most of my skiing is in Alberta and east BC on the typical mixed bag of tracked, powder and some hard packed.
At your height and weight a 180+ ski is a must IMO. If you are a level 9 skier (means you can ski anything in Canada or Alaska) and you like it steep, are in the tracked, not deep powder and some hard packed snow. Then have I a suggestion for you.
Look at the Movement Thunders: http://www.bentgate.com/thskbymo.html
I am a level 6 by my standards and with 15 days out on these, I have become a much better, more aggressive skier. The construction is bomber. They have given me total confidence in cut up off piste conditions and it is an advanced enough ski, where I will have it for a few years. The 187 is what I ride and I know you would love these skis. Buy them and make them your bitch. Movement makes incredible equipment.
BTW: I sold my 177 AC40's after a few days on the Thunders and I really liked the Volkls.
post #13 of 18
I agree with 219 that the M666 is a great ski. Smooth, demolishes crud, stable. Works for me. I am 5'10" i65 lbs and have them in 176 cm.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Crystalite View Post
Alberto
Have you skied both the Mythic Rider and Prophet 90 and can you contrast the performance?
I am torn between which to keep since I bought both (Lines on e-bay after the Mythics ordered from a vendor) Both are new.
I tried some Mythics on a hot thick crud day and they were good, but I worry that they may be too stiff for powder.
Thanks

I have skied both, but not in the same season. I skied the Prophet 90 last year and to my knowledge, this year's ski is the same. I found the Prophet to be a very adaptable ski - not too soft but not super stiff either. It had a flex that was softer in the tip and it got stiffer towards the tail. I liked the ski a lot (but I already had the Dynastar Big Trouble, so it would have been more quiver overlap for me). I skied the Mythic this year and liked it, although the ski had the fluid system (I prefer flat skis with bindings of my choice) and I found it to be quite a bit stiffer than the 8800 that it replaces. Both are really good skis - it really depends on what kind of feel that you want. My feeling is that the Prophet seems to float more and likes to turn more. The Mythic tends to feel more like a crudbuster that plows through than floats (could be my recollection isn't too clear because of time).

I noticed a post abover about the Movement Thunder - an awesome ski that likes high speed. I think that it's way more ski than either the Prophet or Mythic, but it requires a much more proficient pilot to get the most out of it. I agree with the poster's comments about it though.

Hope this helps a bit.
post #15 of 18
Quote:
on the list:
K2 recon
Rossi B83
Volkl AC40 -roco
I'm just over 200lbs too. I skied the K2 Apache recon and volkl ac40 at Big Sky, Mt last week.
volkl: actually a bit stiff. It's a fine ski but well, kind of pedestrian. Nothing wrong with it at all, will not let you down, but not something I loved. (see HeluvaSkiers review last year)
K2 apache recon.: narrower than the volkl and much softer. This really depends on what you like in a ski. I found it too much of a "finesse" ski that is probably much better suited to someone lighter. You may love it, many people do. Didn't feel I gave up a lot on the width compared to the volkl.

the volkl is 82mm underfoot
the k2 is is 78mm

most other suggestions here are in the high 80's to 90's so it's not a direct comparison

I will say that the Elan 666 is a fantastic ski. (76mm? underfoot). Last year I demoed a bunch at snowmass/aspen. When I got on that after practically forcing the storeguy to let me try it (too skinny) I thought "finally a ski that will carve a freaking turn". Bear in mind there are some mounting issues with placement you should look into with the 666 (it's flat on top, no system. I think people go forward a bit)
The magfire12 of 06/7 is very similar. This years is much fatter.
post #16 of 18
Welcome to EpicSki roco! Just to address your actual concerns- you said you're not worried about groomers, rails or flat out speed with a mixed bag of backside conditions. To me this screams YES, you need a freeride ski. The fact that you use alot of swing turns leads me to believe you are a tree/steep pow guy and need to break radius often, which leads me to recommend a twin tip ski to facilitate this. Just your location being Alberta, I'm assuming powder is a big concern, so I'd say go with the high end of 90mm in waist to give you varsatility in the deep without being strictly pow-oriented. The skis you were thinking about are all good skis but I think they aren't really what you are asking for to be honest. If you thought the im82s were too heavy, I'd look at the Head Mojo 90, Line Prophet 90, and if you really are a legit level 9, then the Movement Thunder may be just the ticket. Happy hunting brotha!
post #17 of 18
When considering ski length, also consider where it's placed in the lineup of that model ski. For example, a 177 cm Head SuperShape Magnum might be the right ski for you...and 177 is their longest in that line and suitable for heavy, strong, skilled skiers. The Head iMonster 78 might be a better choice for more time in unpacked snow, again look at the 177 or their max length, 183. (I like Head skis a lot.)
post #18 of 18
Head Monster 88's!!!

excellent off-piste except for really deep powder - where you'd probably want something even fatter under foot. Excellent in variable snow conditions. A bit of work in tight bumps but not as bad as I thought they'd be.
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