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Volkl, Elan, Atomic....what to choose?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I've been skiing the same K2 Two's (188cm) for 9 years. It's obviously time to upgrade. I haven't been keeping up with the trade aside from participating and observing.

From visiting retailers and researching, I've narrowed my choices to Volkl, Elan, or Atomic.

I'm 6'6, 230, middle intermediate skier. I'm want a stable ski that will help me progress to the next level and start carving and feeling more comfortable at speed. I ski east (mid-Atlantic).

Any thoughts on the following: Volkl Tigershark or Tiger series, Atomic Metron 7, or Elan Speedwave 10 or Flow series. Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 24
Atomics have a fantastic reputation for edge grip. I personally have a pair of their Izors (last seasons model) they have been replaced by the nomad. I love my skis they are great at high speeds and have really helped me to progress to the next level. If i were in your shoes i would go with the Metrons or even look at their nomad series.
Hope that helps
post #3 of 24
Volkl AC30 in 177cm and take a few lessons on them. IMO the tigershark is to stiff. The key here is lesson's and don't get to stiff of a ski.

May take few lessons on the K2's then demo a few skis.

The K2 Four was a good ski to get you into a shaped ski, had them myself. But yes it's more then time to move on. Skis have come a long way since then. Take a few lessons and hang on your in for the ride of your life. Remember you need to buy into the new movement pattern to get the full benefit out of a shaped ski, these tools are amazing.

BTW welcome to EPIC
post #4 of 24
I'd also shy away from the Tigersharks given what you've written about your skiing. They're not too stiff (I have a pair and love them), but they are probably too stiff for you (again, given what you've written).

It's a good idea if you're able to, to demo a few pairs of skis and feel for yourself what is good/bad for you. Definitely try some Volkls, probably the AC30 as mentioned above.
post #5 of 24
I'd go Speedwave 12 for your size Metron 10

Both really fun in Mid-Atlantic.

How did you happen to decide on these brands? Have you demoed? Have you looked at Dynastar's Contacts yet? Or Fischer's RX series? Or Head's Xenon/iXRC series?
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the advice thus far.

I really tend to research to hell and back on all my choices. Initially, I wanted to learn about Elan skis after realizing they are a subsidiary of K2. Upon a dealers recommendation I looked at the Volkl's.

After going to a few Volkl dealers, one in the Pittsburgh area said, that buying any Volkl would be overbuying when compared to another brand he carried, which happened to be Atomic. He said the shovel width I need to help initiate turns needs to be larger due to my larger frame.

I'm afraid the Unlimited Series from Volkl is something I'd outgrow too quickly, but, I can be educated differently. Great forums...
post #7 of 24
I don't think you should worry about outgrowing a series of skis like the unlimited from volkl. While they might not fit what you won't to ski there is a pretty diverse abililty level across these skis. While some may not like them compared to other skis, the ac30 and ac40 are expert level skis for their target market. Below those there are lower level skis that you may outgrow. You didn't mention what type of ski for what type of terrain you want to ski. If you are looking for an eastern all mountain expert level ski for a single pair quiver, you should consider demoing the AC30. I haven't found a speed limit for my AC30's and they give back everything you put into them. They loved to be skied agressively. I would also add a nordica to your demo list. I don't know which one maybe the top fuel, but my wife just bought a nordica because it had a nice energy and great grip, but not as advanced as the comparable volkl's. I guess the the outgrow comment caught me...: Good Luck...I like to research like crazy too.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by BMK186 View Post
Thanks for all the advice thus far.

I really tend to research to hell and back on all my choices. Initially, I wanted to learn about Elan skis after realizing they are a subsidiary of K2.
I think there might be some confusion there between Elan and Olin.


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He said the shovel width I need to help initiate turns needs to be larger due to my larger frame.
I would take that with a big grain of salt too.

Your K2 Twos are only around what, 98mm wide?
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by BMK186 View Post
After going to a few Volkl dealers, one in the Pittsburgh area said, that buying any Volkl would be overbuying when compared to another brand he carried, which happened to be Atomic. He said the shovel width I need to help initiate turns needs to be larger due to my larger frame.
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What did he recommend for stuff in the Pittsburgh area? (Seven springs and such)? Every time I go to a ski shop here people talk about powder performance and off-trail, which at seven springs is fairly much BS.
post #10 of 24
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What did he recommend for stuff in the Pittsburgh area? (Seven springs and such)? Every time I go to a ski shop here people talk about powder performance and off-trail, which at seven springs is fairly much BS.
It all works in slush tho.
post #11 of 24
Hi BMK.

I'm guessing we are both usually skiing in the same area...

Don't even think about the Elan Flow series: they are beginner lower intermediate. I'm a low intermediate (can't get carving right), and I'm outgrowing them, they're really rental equivalents. If anything, consider the Elan Magfires. I haven't seen a speedwave (the thinner Elans) here in PA though I'm in the market for one.

I was at Stowe yesterday and demoed really high end stuff. The mountain was quite frozen and I tried the Rossy Zenith Z9 which were great at handling ice and vibrations (frozen cattracks). This might be good for you, and there's a lower end one too (Z5) which is suposed to be decent. I tried the AC30, too stiff, didn't like them. I'll probably buy an Elan Mag 8 for myself.



If you're looking for a MagFire, try Ski North. The store in Wexford is selling the remainders at 50% off; talk to Eric there, he tends to not upsell you (unlike most retailers), he even tends to downsell, which is strange, but you know you don't end up with too much skis. If they don't have your size, try Top of The Slopes in Wilkes barre, they have them at 50% off.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
I think there might be some confusion there between Elan and Olin.




I would take that with a big grain of salt too.

Your K2 Twos are only around what, 98mm wide?

I did make an error as indicated above, Elan is not a sub of K2.



At any rate...I do most of my dealings with Ski North. Stopped by this afternoon. Place was empty so, I got to talk to Aaron for a good bit. He told me to stay away from the Metron 7's just due to my size. (6'6" 230). I told him I had it down to the Elan and Volkl. Had nothing bad to say about Volkl, other than they don't sell them.

He recommended the Elan Magfire 10. Which is the same ski as the Tigershark 10' (without Power Switch) from Volkl.

Any thoughts on the Magfire series as compared with Tiger, Unlimited, or Tigershark from Volkl? Thanks....
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by BMK186 View Post
He recommended the Elan Magfire 10. Which is the same ski as the Tigershark 10' (without Power Switch) from Volkl.

Any thoughts on the Magfire series as compared with Tiger, Unlimited, or Tigershark from Volkl? Thanks....
My thought is that the Magfire is not the same ski as the Tigershark 10'. It might be somewhat similar, but it's not the same thing.
post #14 of 24
The Mags are nice skis, but not connected to the Volkls as a product or brand. I think the Mag is a good mid-fat ski that is heavily biased to groomed snow. If that's your bag, it's a very good choice. The Mag 12 and 14 are similar to the Volkl AC40 more or less. I haven't skied the Mag 10, though on paper it parallels the AC30 somewhat.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
The Mags are nice skis, but not connected to the Volkls as a product or brand. I think the Mag is a good mid-fat ski that is heavily biased to groomed snow. If that's your bag, it's a very good choice. The Mag 12 and 14 are similar to the Volkl AC40 more or less. I haven't skied the Mag 10, though on paper it parallels the AC30 somewhat.
I have the Mag 10 & 14. Both are awesome skis with very different personalities. The Mag 10 is a pleaser; the Mag 14 is a charger. They are both great in most conditions, but I don't think either would be a great deep snow ski - they are for hardpack/crud.

Can't compare them to Volkl though - I've never been on them.
post #16 of 24
BMK, Which Ski north branch do you go to?
I typically deal with the Wexford one, haven't been to the Robinston Twp. Do they have a better stock?
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks for everybody's support and comments.

I think I'm leaning toward the Elan Magfire series after consulting with several Elan dealers around western PA and eastern OH.

Magfire 10 or maybe will wait to demo next year the Magfire 78 which apparently is going to be the equivalent to the Magfire 10.
post #18 of 24
BMK, do you expect you'll be having lessons?
post #19 of 24
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BMK, do you expect you'll be having lessons?
Honestly, I would like to take a few private lessons this year. More than likely this would occur at 7-Springs in Pennsylvania.

Obviously having a professional educate me on my technique and it's errors would greatly help me. I just hope I'm making the correct decision with the Magfire 10's.

Any thoughts, Comprex?
post #20 of 24
My thoughts are pretty simple:

find a reasonably priced ski that you can take lessons on this season or early next; any demos will likely be more meaningful after that.

Be prepared to trade/swap/Ebay off whatever you have this year after those same demos.

IMHO, for MidAtlantic lessons without extensive bootfitting, any 15-17m published radius and 71-78mm waisted ski should do. After that it's merely a question of getting the flex and the length that fits your size and skiing speed best.

A Mag 10 (say, 176cm) is on the smaller side of that published radius range and on the softer side of my best guess for appropriate flex for you. It would probably work now, but may not fit your skiing two seasons from now.
post #21 of 24
I'd agree with Comprex for the most part, although the Mag 10 is IMO an awesome intermediate ski. I would consider myself about level 8 and a fairly accomplished skier, and I LOVE the Mag 10 as an everyday ski for the small hills here in MN. It'll be my workhorse when I start patrolling and so on. I'll use my Speedwaves and Mag 14's for days I want to rip. But with BMK186's weight, it's kinda on the border for him as far as performance. He may be best off waiting for the Mag 78 next year, but they won't be cheap.
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
I thought the Magfire 78's were the same as the 10.

Will they be moving to the DualTi (Ti2) system?

That being said about the 10's maybe not supporting my frame, is the 12 too much ski for Level 6/7?
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by BMK186 View Post
I thought the Magfire 78's were the same as the 10.

Will they be moving to the DualTi (Ti2) system?

That being said about the 10's maybe not supporting my frame, is the 12 too much ski for Level 6/7?
Mag 78 = 78mm in the waist. The current Mag 10 is 75. The 10 level ski currently does not have dual Ti. Only one sheet for that one. The 78, if I remember right, will have a dual Ti option, but PM Dawg about it - he can set the record straight. I think it also gets the "Waveflex" construction for next season. It makes the ski a bit more stiff torsionally, yet smoother flexing overall. It's real - I like it. I'm an Elan convert after years of nothing but Rossi, and one failed outing with Atomic.

The Mag 12 is even wider in the waist @ 82mm. Not sure if that's necessarily what you need, but that's up to you. When in doubt, demo.
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