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post #61 of 73
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Tere's a place in DC were you can get a hunderd terns in?

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Only if there's fifty crab pots.
post #62 of 73
Thread Starter 
man,

i started a brushfire. not intended. i don't hate boarders, but it at least seemed better, more courteous skiing at alta than the day before at park city and the only difference was lack of boarders.

feel free to call me a snob, and i probably am; i don't like people who dont wear long pants or sandals on an airplane either; but thats more of a hygene thing than individuality/generation-y thing.

and sorry about mis-spelling Alta in the thread title.
post #63 of 73
Those of us who like to feed the trolls had fun with it.

About the sandals. I messed my feet up by skiing a lot in boots that didn't fit perfectly. Now, even sneakers hurt my feet a little. I wear sandals (and short pants) whenever the weather allows. Sorry about your OCD.

Texans...
post #64 of 73
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i don't like people who dont wear long pants or sandals on an airplane either; but thats more of a hygene thing than individuality/generation-y thing.
You want people to wear sandals on airplanes?
post #65 of 73
I wonder what percentage of boarders will continue into their 50's.

Unlike skiing, where you're virtually always upright, boarders have to sit each time they disembark the chair, and most times they stop on the hill.

With age, getting up off your butt so often becomes an issue. Like it or not, knees don't get better with time.

I've noticed a few age 50+ boarders on the hill, but not as many as you'd expect, given the years boardings been around.

A lot of skiers fade with age too. It'd be interesting to compare the "retire" rate between the sports.
post #66 of 73
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Most people on vacation have very little situational awareness and have no idea that they are being gapers.
Hence all the gaping.
post #67 of 73
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I wonder what percentage of boarders will continue into their 50's.

Unlike skiing, where you're virtually always upright, boarders have to sit each time they disembark the chair, and most times they stop on the hill.

With age, getting up off your butt so often becomes an issue. Like it or not, knees don't get better with time.
We don't have to sit down to strap in Captain, I never sit down to strap in, I have a whole thread about this in the snowboard forum. It is easy to learn how to strap in standing up, in fact you have to strap in standing up when in the backcountry because it is often impossible to stand back up when you're wallowing in waist deep powder. I actually know many snowboarders who won't ski anymore becaue it is too hard on your knees.
If we're talking about knee injuries skiing is way way harder on your knees than snowboarding. I read the all time injury thread you guys had a while back and it seamed to me like 80% of the corps skiers had torn their ACL, well I've been riding 20 years and have never tweaked a knee.
post #68 of 73
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....well I've been riding 20 years and have never tweaked a knee.
How many shoulders have you popped? How many wrists have you injured? I speak from experience, a shoulder is one of the WORST injuries to sustain.
post #69 of 73
True, true, I've separated both shoulders, can't throw that 90 mph fastball anymore, but I've never broken a wrist, I have really strong wrists.
post #70 of 73
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How many shoulders have you popped? How many wrists have you injured? I speak from experience, a shoulder is one of the WORST injuries to sustain.
Heh, I've dislocated my shoulder twice while skiing, and never gotten hurt snowboarding. Sometimes you just get bad luck, I guess.
post #71 of 73
Spent last week at Alta. My first time. Did first 2 days at Alta in sweet conditions, then a full day (Tue.) at Snowbird, blowing snow off and on. Loved how great and different they are, between the 2 places, can't imagine a better mix of skiing. Is there one? Later in week did the Alta/'Bird crossing back and forth. All I can say is when I went over to 'Bird,despite it's size, the presence of boarders, in all their complexity, was immediately felt. And when I crossed back, their absence was just as obvious. I was happy to be back at Alta.
post #72 of 73
Well, as a combo season pass holder – I will offer my unsolicited opinion. I ski about 3/4th of the time at Alta – here are some random thoughts.

1.If you ever need an idea for a funny video – show up at the tram line at 8:45AM on a big pow day. Carry your skis thru a full maze, and tell people in line you are meeting buddies in the front. The average Alta skier is 30 year old+ who has lived in the area 10+ years. Whereas at the Bird you get the twenty somethings (who tend to not be as laid back) here for a couple seasons (or you get the tourist). Alta is basically a local hill (or long term repeat customer hill) especially on a storm day, Snowbird is not – generally speaking. It is simply more like home to many individuals.

Full disclosure, I have patience with people going slow on the High T, but if they stop at a bottle neck – will politely tell them local etiquette is to step off the trail.

2.As I will continue my stereotyping … the boarder thing is really just a way to age discriminate. Boarders tend to be younger. A 40 year old boarder (or skier) and a 15 year old boarder (or skier) have different perspectives on speed and control.

3.The tram closes much earlier than Collins. For me anyways, you can get an extra hour of “good” skiing off Collins versus the Tram. This may not seem like much, but when often times – I am working around job and family schedule – it is an extra 2-3 runs.

4.Alta has better tree skiing, and skis better on storm days. Skiing in Mineral or Little Cloud is not as much fun as High T in a storm. Additionally, Baldy is not likely open on these big days. So yes, I would take High T over the Cirque (and Mach Schnell which is great) on a big snow day. Gad2 chair is slow and does not stack up either, except for variety sake. Gadzoom – nothing too great, Peruvian – can be real good if Baldy open.

5.The tram is a deal maker and or killer. Unless you have black pass or are taking lessons – I think it is arguable that you actually get more vertical at the Bird on the Tram. You certainly can’t get more than 2 laps an hour, given a 2 or 3 car wait. I have skied 7 Collins (also not possible when crowded) when arriving at 2:30PM ~13K of vert in slightly more than 2 hours.

6.So why ski the Bird at all. It skis better when Baldy and Mineral are open. Baldy (5 minute hike) is better/longer than the Castle. The Keyhole may be the best run between the two. Bookends (a long traverse) are very comparable and do not get clogged (except the short sidestep) like the Castle does. None ever really skis out. Baldy can be subject to the sun as well, as it is west facing. In good conditions, Snowbird will ski longer untracked – mostly due to Baldy and Powder Paradise.

7.When the tram is not crowded – you can really have some magical days off it. It really depends on the crowds. Also, Entry 1 parking spot may get you home an hour earlier than Alta on crowded days.

In the end, it is like choosing between 2 super-models, hard to go wrong. I am fortunate to call them both, home hills.
post #73 of 73
RE: Thimby

Excellent - great insight!
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