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Bindings for wide skis?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I just snagged a pair of used Mantras and need to get bindings for them. I'm new to the whole wide ski thing (the widest skis I've owned so far have been 65mm at the waist.) so I'm not sure what to get. The width of the brakes is the only real limiting factor, right?

Since I ski mainly on hardpack the Mantras are a specialty addition to the quiver and I can only justify it to myself by keeping the oveall price down. So I'm looking at used/discounted stuff on ebay. No, I'm not going to mount ancient crap, but I don't see the need for Duke/Jester bindings or some other top end model. How do I ensure what I buy is going to fit? Can the brakes simply be bent to fit, or is this a kludge?


BTW, I've read some other threads addressing this, but I haven't seen a definitive answer yet. Thanks.
post #2 of 21
Walt, You could look for something like this, http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=68321, or if you're looking for new bindings, you could look at a Jester, with a 100mm brake.

Tyrolia and Rossi Axial2's are also popular.
Here's Something like this:
http://skiershop.com/itemdetails.cfm...ogId=47&id=633

The more popular wide skis become, the more options you will find that are solid options.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well, I'm looking for something cheap off of ebay. Preferably Marker. Definitely not Salomon. No need or desire for 16 DIN. The question is what's gonna fit?
post #4 of 21
Tyrolia/Head Mojo 15.

they will fit and are solid.

Would lean toward Rossi Axial 120 /Look PX12 if you don't want the 15 DIN...also the Rossi Scratch will fit as it's made for the Scratch skis (all withy wide widths).
post #5 of 21
If you get Vist Free bindings you get to choose the width of the brake (and teh colour of the cap).
I think there's an online store out of Denver that carries them.
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
Tyrolia/Head Mojo 15.

they will fit and are solid.

Would lean toward Rossi Axial 120 /Look PX12 if you don't want the 15 DIN...also the Rossi Scratch will fit as it's made for the Scratch skis (all withy wide widths).
HAHA, the SKiershop link I put up there is the close out deal on the Tyrolia HeadMojo15!!
Great Minds, eh?

Dookey, you gonna be in summit county around the 28-30th of march?
I'm hitting Abasin with some friends if you're interested!
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Is there a method of determining whether a binding will fit, other than waiting patiently for some random person on the internet to say "brand X model Z" will fit and then simply taking their word for it?
post #8 of 21
Err, check the manufacturers website for brake width or brake width options and check the width of your ski's.
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Schussboelie View Post
Err, check the manufacturers website for brake width or brake width options....
Works great for new bindings, but the manufacturers aren't exactly generous with info about older models....

Looking around I see that the standard width for brakes seems to be 90mm. The skis in question have a 94 mm waist. It seems entirely plausible to bend each brake 2 mm - anybody done this successfully?
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
Works great for new bindings, but the manufacturers aren't exactly generous with info about older models....
True. I'd like to see manufacturers keeping old data online.
In that case yes, your best bet is to rely on the voice of someone who has that binding or binding/ski combo.

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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
Looking around I see that the standard width for brakes seems to be 90mm. The skis in question have a 94 mm waist. It seems entirely plausible to bend each brake 2 mm - anybody done this successfully?
I haven't done it but I would advise against it.
Bending the brakes means you have the bend them near the ski, I fear they might stand out quite a bit at the ends.
post #11 of 21
How about these:

http://www.levelninesports.com/tyrol...gs-p-3007.html

or these (same thing really but Head branded and the toe is cosmetically different)

http://www.levelninesports.com/head-...gs-p-3006.html

$109 plus $30 for wide brakes plus $10 delivery!
post #12 of 21
What's your idea of cheap? Seriously, don't dick around with eBay unless you know exactly what you're buying. A lot of people pay too much for older crap on eBay when new discounted gear can be found all over the place. Look/Rossi bindings with the 100mm brake would work, and show up in the $90-120 range all the time on SAC and other sites. These would probably work too:

http://www.Untracked.com/p2057c26b52...ide_brake.html

Also check REI, Altrec, backcountry, backcountryoutlet, o2gearshop, usoutdoorstore, sierrasnowboard, and evogear. All are having good sales right now. Might also want to PM dawgcatching and see what he can offer.
post #13 of 21
Like a PP, I have found that Al's Ski Barn has lots of options at all price points. I have found them helpful about answering questions in the past:

http://www.untracked.com/c81-ski_bin...freestyle.html

I would not risk eBay for bindings, personally.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
Is there a method of determining whether a binding will fit, other than waiting patiently for some random person on the internet to say "brand X model Z" will fit and then simply taking their word for it?
A for instance is the link for the Tyrolia Mojo15 at SkierShop I linked.
The description says this:

Quote:
* ABS – ANTI BLOCKING SYSTEM
* DIAGONAL Heel
* AERO Toe with TRP System
* RACE DIAGONAL
* Dura-Coating
* POWER BRAKE LD wide
Another binding at the same shop says this:
Quote:
Features:
- Race diagonal toe with TRP System
- Race Diagonal
- Dura-Coating
- 95mm brake
DIN: 10-20
Hope this helps and you can find some kind of description that you're looking for.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
Same as the ones I pointed out at Level Nine. Similar price too. I have the Railflex II version of the LD12 on my XRCs and the flat version with 93mm brakes on my i.M78s. Nice solid binding with the excellent Tyrolia diagonal heel. If DIN 12 is enough for you then I reckon its a no-brainer, unless you can find some Look P12s/P15s with wide brakes at a similar price (unlikely).
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
I've now done a bit of research, so I'll answer my own question. Thanks to all who helped point me in the right direction:
  • Brakes can be bent to fit, but it's not an approved method by the binding manufacturer. As one shop guy said "we're not allowed to bend the brakes". I'm sure it can be done if you mount your own or if you have a shoprat buddy do it on the sly, but I'm not going there.
  • Bindings with wide brakes are available, and some models come in different width brakes. (90, 110, 125mm for example). I'm seeing these new on the net starting at about $150.
  • You can buy wide brakes and put them on a regular binding. They go for about $30. However, these replacement brakes are model specific, so don't expect to find wide brakes for older bindings. For Markers, the replacement brakes will fit on the 900-1400 series or the current new models. I don't think they'll work with the older 7.1/8.1/9.1 or 7.2/8.2/9.2 series.
  • I need a "flat" binding, the rail systems won't fit.
I guess that's more or less it, other than questions about specific models which is a thread for another day.
post #17 of 21
Congrats walt, FYI- I have Mojo15's on my Shaman's with 110 underfoot, its a bit ghetto but just bend them out. No worries.
post #18 of 21
Shoot, many shops bend brakes as standard practice, and some guys are really good at it. I'm surprised at what that one shop guy told you. Maybe that's what they have to say in public. I think it's preferable to bend a smaller brake a few mm wider rather than put on larger brakes that are too wide and stick out.

There were 100mm Rossi bindings on SAC last night for $128, which was a great deal. DIN 14 no less. I wish I spotted that deal in time to buy!
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
Looking around I see that the standard width for brakes seems to be 90mm. The skis in question have a 94 mm waist. It seems entirely plausible to bend each brake 2 mm - anybody done this successfully?
The narrowest part of the ski is 94mm, but this is not where the brakes lie so it is in fact a little wider.
Regardless, you can certainly bend the brakes without damaging them. The easiest thing to do is have the bindings mounted to the ski first. Place your boot in the binding so that the brakes are retracted and slip a pipe of some sort over the brake. (Putting a boot in the binding prior to bending the brakes greatly reduces your chance of breaking something.)
Bend each brake the same amount until they clear the ski.
post #20 of 21
Perfect for what you're looking for, but only one left.

http://www.backcountry.com/store/DYN...i-Binding.html
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by quickk9 View Post
The narrowest part of the ski is 94mm, but this is not where the brakes lie so it is in fact a little wider.
Regardless, you can certainly bend the brakes without damaging them. The easiest thing to do is have the bindings mounted to the ski first. Place your boot in the binding so that the brakes are retracted and slip a pipe of some sort over the brake. (Putting a boot in the binding prior to bending the brakes greatly reduces your chance of breaking something.)
Bend each brake the same amount until they clear the ski.
perfect, this should be a sticky!
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