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Ever Had Equipment Tampered With/Sabotaged Prior To A Race?

post #1 of 25
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My son was racing Super G last weekend, and did really well on his first run. On his second run he was really going fast around a gate when he just released out of a ski and wiped out (thankfully not hurt). When his coach checked his bindings at the bottom of the run, we noticed that one of his bindings had been turned down to the lowest DIN setting possible. Needless to say we were all pretty bummed out. So...has anyone ever had anything like this happen? (This was a J5 race so it's not like he's on the World Cup or anything---it was a kid's race for goodness sake! Needless to say, we'll be checking everything closely before every run from now on, but I'm kind of sorry that I even have to!) :
post #2 of 25
I guess a J racer learns something every day. Check your equipment before you run. I agree. It sucks.
post #3 of 25
I and a teammate had skis stolen from the team locker room once. Only team members knew the password. He and I were 1 and 2 in team ranking as freshmen. (This is HS, btw).

We found his skis in the bushes behind the school. Mine never got recovered.

Does that count?
post #4 of 25
Sure! Bindings just magically turned down and on two occasions.

Some course workers walk out at "funny" times too.

The "J" game is worse than or as bad as any kid sport.
post #5 of 25
I heard a story about a prank on an Olypic Gold Medal winning Ski school director in an employee race. Some one turned his DIN all the way down. Everyone but him laughed when he catastrophically ejected in the first turn. It's just wrong to do something like that in a real competition. I'm sorry for your son.
post #6 of 25
That is some serious a$$holery. Never mind that it's just lame and extremely poor sportsmanship, but your son could have gotten hurt. I can't believe some people are that sick. Can you report this to anyone, or have the race league warn other people that this happened?
post #7 of 25
I would bet money it was one of your kids friends thinking he was being funny. Not funny however considering your boy could have been really hurt.

Sooner or later loose lips sink ships. Then have a polite conversation with the culprits parents and coach.
post #8 of 25
That's ridiculous. I honestly never even thought that someone might do that, but I guess it doesn't really surprise me. I was doing some Mountain Dew race, that anyone could enter, with my sister and this girl decked out in her racing spandex and skis and everything was freaking out and acting all competitively towards us. I'm standing there in baggy ass clothes and twins and I'm like, "I'm in this for the free soda, get out of here." So yeah, I'd watch out next time. That's really lame that he could have gotten hurt. I'd hope that skiers would watch out for one another, not try and sabotage each other.
post #9 of 25
In all of the incidents, the victims were contenders among the top seed.

Kids will usually leave their gear scattered between runs while they are waiting and get in snowball fights and in the madhouse at the top it's hard to tell what's going on.

One of our clubs in the state had a "win at any cost" reputation with questionable calls by gate judges too.

When it comes to the wire with state finals and all that ..... keep your gear close at hand.
post #10 of 25
Hey, look at the World Cup, racer's ski's get stolen. People mess with the waxing, a couple years ago one racer's skis got drilled through. Racing has an ugly side.
post #11 of 25
This has happened to me twice, once at the downhill in Sugarloaf Maine and once again at east coast championships before the Super-G. Fortunately my coach always checks my DIN before I leave the start.

For three years in a row at a race held at this perticular club (in a neighboring province) I have been DSQd by the same gate Judge. Last year we learned and got video of his gates, he had me as a straddle but I cleared them fine and we won the protest. Coincidentally for the first time in 4 years someone from outside their province won their provincial Overall...

Theres also a man within our provincial organization that has been known to give some people trouble, people from our own province. I was one of his favorite targets even though his daughter obviously did not compete against me...

What a world
post #12 of 25
That SUX Doc. Do you know any other parents/relatives that were recording any of the racing? It might be worth taking a look at the footage and see if by odd chance the crime was captured on video.

I used to play clubs in a band and our equipment was tampered with on a few occasions, usually after an arguuement with another band over the bill list, who goes on when, etc.

And, it isn't just the DIN that you have to watch. Didn't they loosen the anchor screws on the Austrian team's toe pieces in the movie Hot Dog (or some similar movie)?
post #13 of 25
My buddy had two screws removed from his plate once... That guy wanted his head! for that to happen he had to remove the whole binding, have a gear drill with the right bit and have the guts to take a drill to someone's skis in the start area...

PS he had to DNS because he couldn't get the ski fixed in time for his run...
post #14 of 25
And some kid could go into the trees and die or be screwed up for life?

And there is NO F'IN DOUBT THIS SCHIZZ HAPPENS! Bindings don't go from 12 to 2 all by themselves!

It's bad enough to watch your kid on an icy and fast course and doubt your own sanity.

We did have a J-3 die a few years back during a race, not from sabotage but it hits home hard. They are kids.
post #15 of 25
This thread confirms my deeply held suspicion that most people take ski racing far too seriously, especially when they are trying to live vicariously through their poor children.
post #16 of 25
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This thread confirms my deeply held suspicion that most people take ski racing far too seriously, especially when they are trying to live vicariously through their poor children.
Garrett, I don't think this is just a ski racing phenomenon. This happens in every sport, even cheer leading.

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It's bad enough to watch your kid on an icy and fast course and doubt your own sanity.
Yuki, you go that right. Yesterday at Loveland Championships it was a beautiful morning for racing, but by the afternoon the light had gone 100% flat. I was just glad that my son made it down. He placed in the first race, didn't in the second.

From now on, I either make sure the coaches check those skis or I'm up there checking them myself.
post #17 of 25
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This thread confirms my deeply held suspicion that most people take ski racing far too seriously, especially when they are trying to live vicariously through their poor children.
To further emphasize the point, a report back from our provincial championships for K1 (11-12yr olds) was a parent was giving support to their child after their run. The child was no where close to being a threat to the top seeds, but a group of parents, purportedly from one of the "snooty" private clubs, showed all of their class by actually laughing out load at them and commenting within earshot about "who are they kidding, that run was awful".

Money does not equal class.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity View Post
To further emphasize the point, a report back from our provincial championships for K1 (11-12yr olds) was a parent was giving support to their child after their run. The child was no where close to being a threat to the top seeds, but a group of parents, purportedly from one of the "snooty" private clubs, showed all of their class by actually laughing out load at them and commenting within earshot about "who are they kidding, that run was awful".

Money does not equal class.
AGREED.

I saw that loads playing hockey, particularly because I was *not* one of the best kids on my team by any stretch. People, parents especially would bring others down to bring themselves up. It even happens in the marching band world.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by TMAS29 View Post
My buddy had two screws removed from his plate once... That guy wanted his head! for that to happen he had to remove the whole binding, have a gear drill with the right bit and have the guts to take a drill to someone's skis in the start area...

PS he had to DNS because he couldn't get the ski fixed in time for his run...

do you have proof? i find that hard to believe. when i was still doing ski service the saying was "never let a coach touch your skis" i have seen more screwed up bindings and tunes because a coach (who is a great coach, but he is not a tech) decided to do a little last minute "touch up" to some kids skis...or mount them the night before without a jig, or remount them in the start area it would boggle your mind.....

as far as the OPs kid goes, that really sucks...
post #20 of 25
Man it does happen in every single sport. I've seen it. Tampered bats, steroids, oddly weighted golf clubs even, etc etc.

People cheat. Here is the funny part. Every person I've ever known that has cheated and gotten success. GETS FRIGGEN CAUGHT in the end.

INTEGRITY needs to mean something again in our society. We've lost that
post #21 of 25
That is so different from what we see here. The kids have always been supportive, even to other teams. Often the hosting teams will throw parties for the visiting kids and parents. Competition is not stressed nearly as much as good skills, etiquette and sportsmanship. I've never seen anything remotely like bad behavior out of ours or any of the other kids.
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by doogiedoc View Post
My son was racing Super G last weekend, and did really well on his first run. On his second run he was really going fast around a gate when he just released out of a ski and wiped out (thankfully not hurt). When his coach checked his bindings at the bottom of the run, we noticed that one of his bindings had been turned down to the lowest DIN setting possible. Needless to say we were all pretty bummed out. So...has anyone ever had anything like this happen? (This was a J5 race so it's not like he's on the World Cup or anything---it was a kid's race for goodness sake! Needless to say, we'll be checking everything closely before every run from now on, but I'm kind of sorry that I even have to!) :
How can people who do this look at themselves in the mirror?

Yesterday, Milk Run @ Telluride was closed for a junior's race. I understand it is one of the steepest slopes used for racing anywhere. In the afternoon, my son and I skied it. Usually after a race the ruts are evident, but it was smooth and had glare ice spots all over it. I couldn't imagine how badly someone could get hurt flying or bouncing down this slope after a crash.......and to think someone who claims to be a good parent or 'sports person' could conceive of loosening a kid's or fellow competitor's gear to cause a crash or mishap. :.

Truly a sad state of priorities and ethics.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by waxman View Post
do you have proof? i find that hard to believe. when i was still doing ski service the saying was "never let a coach touch your skis" i have seen more screwed up bindings and tunes because a coach (who is a great coach, but he is not a tech) decided to do a little last minute "touch up" to some kids skis...or mount them the night before without a jig, or remount them in the start area it would boggle your mind.....

as far as the OPs kid goes, that really sucks...
well the skis in question were 2 years old atomic super-g skis that he had used many times before, that one time, he clicked in and leaned back, the whole thing pulled up and when we investigated the screws were missing. He had skied on the skis the day before and tuned them himself that night they went in my car in the morning and waited in the start area while we were warming up.
post #24 of 25
I had a single ski stolen my first year in USSA on a race day. I was a crap skier so it wasn't anybody trying to keep me off the podium. It was still a dick move whoever did it and for whatever reason.
post #25 of 25
Oh and one time an ex wc racer showed me a place on Stowe where the Austrains got caught planting dug up saplings to make people take a turn wider than normal in the downhill. But they took them away when the Austrains came through! This was obviously back in the day before things like b netting etc... An amusing story though and it goes to show how pretty much anything goes until someone gets caught.
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