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post #91 of 103
Not to flog a dead horse hear this has been a great review. I get what Bush is saying and I would have the same conserns at speed I think. Because I havent tryed them but I couldnt emagine being able to ski my way on that short of a ski. The transitions in steep terrain come fast and vary at higher speeds differantly with shorter skis. It seems to me these skis would suit a skiier more apt to no more than a slolom type turn speeds. And from what I gather from this thread 40-60mph GS turns could get a little dicy to say the least on firm snow. Not to mention if you needed to straight line for a bit at those speeds. Sounds like a fun relaxing tree ski that will still preform well on groomers for less agresive on pisti skiiers wanting more control than there on pisti skis can be off pisti? I would like to see some video of a skiier ripping up the steeps at speed on firm snow to be convinced other wise. If the longer Nomad can do this it would have my attention. Phil you were on the Outbacks I gather in a 188? Do you think the ONE would have performed better in the conditions those days aginst the Shaman with more side cut and tip and tail? I under stand the concept that Iclantic is getting at. Base dimentionaly overall should ski longer given the area. But length has a purpose in speed that becomes a real saftey factor. The nomad in a 180+ sounds like it might solve some of my concerns. My buddies would be waiting for me with there 189 pontoons, Line Prophets and 192 big Daddies on a 173 or less Shaman buy the sounds of it on deep and firmer surface days.
post #92 of 103
Thread Starter 
above 40 mph on a pow day, yes i would agree a longer ski would proabaly be better but for trees and similar natural terrain features, quick turns, 5' pops off rocks, in out of trees and playing with the terrain, the 173 is a blast. I skied them against Phils 183's on a powder day (about 8-10") and nothing against Phils skiing (because he's a better skier) but he couldn't keep up with me on my Shaman 173's. I don't ski straight line though. I really haven't skied them on skied-off or firmer crusty days. I have used the Nomads in those conditions and they do rip. As i have said before, I am not an expert rippin' lines at 50-60 mph so my impressions and needs are different from the "true" experts. for those speeds and turn shapes, why not a full rocker?
post #93 of 103
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
As i have said before, I am not an expert rippin' lines at 50-60 mph so my impressions and needs are different from the "true" experts. for those speeds and turn shapes, why not a full rocker?
full rockers tend to wheelie out on big landings, and they get squirmy in crud at speed. lastly you dont get any rebound when you transition. Full rocker inbounds imo are best for smaller lines in tree and the such. although I have only skied spats and 185 praxis so I may be speaking out of my ass.

50-60mph is really fast on a powder day. I doubt and I get above 40 on the average powder day and if I do its only a couple times a day.
post #94 of 103
Thread Starter 
I don't really think the Icelantics are designed or intended for that kind of use.
post #95 of 103
Just to update - after about 40 days on my Shammies (173 mounted +1) they are still my go to ski. The Freeskier has the edges down to a science and they rip on groomers. Ya, that's my ski of choice for groomers. Go figure. Powder days are just a blast. My topsheets are jacked but I hear that this year's model has tougher topsheets. So my verdict - wouldn't trade them for the world. They can't be compared to any other ski really. Just go ski them and wear your smile with pride. Also, the 161 Shammies would be the ideal tree ski.... east/west anywhere.

Now, that being said, I have a pair of 185 JJ's showing up tomorrow. We'll see...

Anyone want to buy a near new/perfect pair of 188 Soft Bros mounted with Naxo NX02's? Have to comply with the wife's "no net increase in skis" policy or else I risk another camera showing up for her.
post #96 of 103
Thread Starter 
Hey Que, great to hear from you. That's my only complain about the Ice's, the tops are really cool but they do chip and scuff very easilly. Fortunately, the bases are bullet-proof. I have last season's Nomads and they are pretty beat. I found that gorilla glue put out a version that dries white, it makes for a nice sealing touch-up tool.

The mad's are my go to boards, I will give the Shamans a try this coming week on groomers and will let you know. Interesting and since the underfoot dims are actually the same, this could be interesting.....
post #97 of 103

Icelantic and ripping groomers

Ok guys, when you say icelantic rips the groomers, can you be more descriptive on how you define rip? I'm on the fence on if I go the shaman or nomad route, because I want a ski the rips the groomers...

I really enjoy skiing the groomers on my fischer rx8's and a lot of time my dynastar skicross earier in the year(69 under foot). I have the elan 888 but on steep groomers not so fun (bigger turning radius), but on groomers at speed lots of fun.

For me ripping the groomers is ability to etch a carve on a sl and gs turn with quickness, stability using the new technique and leaving railroad tracks behind me.

I would love a all mountain ski that can hit the pow days and groomers (all but ice days), and minimize my quiver and post some stuff others to buy
post #98 of 103
That's pretty much it. I feel like I am on rails and have the urge to crank up the turn a bit more just to defy physics. The out rip allmy other skis hands down (granted they are all all mtn or powder type skis)... Itkniw it sounds odd to be talking about a ski with this sort if shovel being great on groomers but the shaman really does rip.

One caveat - i had trouble finding a shop that could tune the edges. I would strongly reccomend taking them to a good shop rather than the usual "you can be a ski tech too" establishment. Also, don't be afraid of the 161. I went 173 but if I were 180 lbs or lighter I would have seriously considered the 161
post #99 of 103
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Originally Posted by Que View Post
That's pretty much it. I feel like I am on rails and have the urge to crank up the turn a bit more just to defy physics. The out rip allmy other skis hands down (granted they are all all mtn or powder type skis)... Itkniw it sounds odd to be talking about a ski with this sort if shovel being great on groomers but the shaman really does rip.

One caveat - i had trouble finding a shop that could tune the edges. I would strongly reccomend taking them to a good shop rather than the usual "you can be a ski tech too" establishment. Also, don't be afraid of the 161. I went 173 but if I were 180 lbs or lighter I would have seriously considered the 161
This just in... Icelantic was at my local hill today - Bogus Basin. It was spring like conditions - Icy in the morning softer in the afternoon. I rode the nomad in 156,168,181? and the Shaman in 161. Me 5'10 165lbs love the carve.. the ski I brought up with me today was my rx8 in a 165- which was ideal for the conditions.

The shaman 161 was the best board by icelantic that I was on today. Off trail though, on the rock hard stuff, man my feet were killing me. May have been the bindings but felt all of the snow. I could manage them in the bumps, trees were a breeze, it was easy no worries high speed fun. On trail, although they can not rail the icy slopes like my rx8 (tunded with 3 side and 1 base), I could still out carve and out run many folks on the mountian. The demos were really beat and could have used some work, so not ideal.

I can say folks asked what these skis were a lot, and they thought I had brought my waterskis.. I felt like an advertisement for Icelantic. Some guys on the lift were laughing at me, so had to show them what they had. They were surprised when I ripped up off trail and on trail faster than they could handle. I was really surprised

But I have to say, getting back onto my rx8's with the conditions of the day, couldn't have had more fun with them and the Shaman's had nothing on them with these types of snow conditions.

I now want to know what they are really like in their true environment. Cut-up crud, soft snow and the pow. In the icy conditions on the groomed, I would honestly have to say that the 161 Shaman wasn't giving up much compared to my Elan 888. The shorter turning radius actually helped a lot.

Now will I buy a pair? The reality is where I ski most- Bugus Basin and rarely Brundage and a couple of trips to the parents at little cottonwood canyon (they live at the bottom of the canyon)... I really don't see the need for them. Reality is skiing well in the rx8 even up to boot top snow isn't a problem and really don't feel like I'm sacrificing much. Then on bigger pow days got the 888. But if I ever got into AT... watch out, would hook these things up for sure.
post #100 of 103
Update: Okay, found a better drug. See my Armada JJ review. While I still think the Shammies almost perfect, the JJ beat them out. I'd still highly recommend the Shaman for anyone not looking for a rockered ski. Forget my comment about the Bros. Keeping them for touring. Going to sell the High Societies and Shammies if I can find a good home.
post #101 of 103
I just tested the Shaman in 184 last week....formal review and pics coming soon....
post #102 of 103
Thread Starter 
awaiting.....

FYI- picked up a pair of Pilgrims last week... I will post but this is just a great front-sider. Still has that great Icelantic feel more nimble and perfect for just cruising around, really nice in the bumps.

rented a pair of Shammy's in J-Hole for a day of 8-18" of heavier (not cement) snow. They were awesome, just ripped through variable, untracked and piled stuff.
post #103 of 103

Some new info from my perspective today:

 

  I've had the Shamans in lots of soft conditions...today was the first day in no-new-snow-for-a-while conditions.  I skinned up ABasin (90 minutes, gasp gasp...I want to be in better shape) and then made about 10 turns down the mountain (top to bottom) on groomers.  I did stop once because I was getting brain freeze right between the eyes (first time in a long time without goggles).  Anyway, I have no idea how fast I was going, but it was pretty fast...even behind my Revos my eyes were watering pretty hard.  The Shamans were rock steady...no hint of finding a speed limit.  Much better than the 168 Nomads I demoed previously.

 

  Then I went up the lift for one run (that's all my legs had left in them after the skinning) and I skied down next to the competition mogul run that was being prepared.  I connected that to the bumps under the Exhibition chair.  With my noodle legs and such wide skis, I was expecting much unhappiness in the bumps, but I didn't find any.  On the contrary, I was actually able to be reasonably aggressive and had some fun.  At the top, I was a little too tentative and had some weird edging issues, but I think that was my fault, not the skis'.

 

  Anyway...a little info for those interested in Shamans at speed (rock solid) and in the bumps (not too bad for a fatter ski...can be quite a bit of fun).


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