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New Ski from PMGear: 186 Brocker

post #1 of 27
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Some guys from the PMGear crew (not me unfortunately) were able to make it down to Mammoth this past week to finalize testing on our rockered ski offering for next year...the 186 Brocker. It's 140-112-122 and rockered in the tip only, with traditional camber underfoot, and a flat traditional (non-rockered) tail.

It's a rippin ski.....I've been on various flexes of the prototypes and dug them so much, I have sold off my Lotus 138's. Will be picking up my personal pair of production Brockers this weekend. Maybe ski them on Sunday.....

There are also plans to have this same ski in a 196 as well.

anyway, here's a vid with a bit of rant about them by the driving force behind PMGear, Splat. Not sure who all of the skiers in the vid are:
http://easternsierratv.com/profiles/pm_gear.html
(if Splat, doesn't show up in the video player talking about the Brocker immediately, you have to hit the 'forward' button on the far right of the player, and then click 'play' again)



And finally, here's a shot of PMGear athlete and big-mountain freeski competitor Sam Wright, airing out a pair of prototype Brockers at Whistler. Gotta love product testing
post #2 of 27
Tyrone,

This is very exciting. I love the dimensions of the ski and curious if you have any ski to compare them to. The width puts it in the same ballpark as the Katana which I have not skiied. I'm also thinking that with the traditional camber, a good rider can still squeeze some good carving out of these on the groomer on the way back to the chair...am I right? These, however, must slay the POW....they're coming to market this offseason?
post #3 of 27
That is exactly what I look like when I take those 3' ledges here in Michigan!!
Okay, well, not EXACTLY, like that.
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by locknload View Post
Tyrone,

This is very exciting. I love the dimensions of the ski and curious if you have any ski to compare them to. The width puts it in the same ballpark as the Katana which I have not skiied. I'm also thinking that with the traditional camber, a good rider can still squeeze some good carving out of these on the groomer on the way back to the chair...am I right? These, however, must slay the POW....they're coming to market this offseason?
You got the gist of it buddy. The traditional (small amount) camber and the flat tail is indeed designed to make the ski more versatile than full blown double rockered (tip & tail) and reverse sidecut skis.

They're in a 186 at the moment, but they ski shorter due to the rockered tip. (which is why we plan on a 196 as well). I can get some pics up of my pair of 186's after the weekend and show you how much rocker there is. The profile is such that the rocker is ahead of the widest part of the ski.

The 186's are available for pre-order now. They are not on our website yet though, but you can contact either pat@pmgearusa.com or chad.pmgear@sbcglobal.net and they can give you more beta on when production of these starts (which will be very soon) and prices. The 196 will probably be a Fall release (but that might change too).
post #5 of 27
Thanks man..will do. They sound sick. Will ping those guys to get the dets...looking forward to the pix...
post #6 of 27
: I want those skis for the next couple of days here...
post #7 of 27
Awesome review in TechTalk at TGR. Oh, how I wish I could afford them right now.
post #8 of 27
still waiting for close-up pics detailing camber changes, etc...
post #9 of 27
I think this ski is it. Going to dump a few pairs this off-season and get down to a 2-3 ski quiver...these will be my deep dump POW skis and sounds like I'll be able to use them in variable conditions as well.

Tyrone...going to put the faith in you. A big chunk of the tax refund going to fund this purchase....Pat tells me the Carbon Fiber are lighter and have more "pop"...its a about $100 more...is it worth it?
post #10 of 27
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still waiting for close-up pics detailing camber changes, etc...
Will get some pics up as soon as I have my production pair in hand. Picking them up Saturday night in Reno and won't be back until Monday. So pics sometime early next week. As my South Lake cabin, one dude will have some Praxis, one guy will have my old Lotus 138's, and I'll have the Brockers. Will try to get tip rocker shots of them all side-by-side.

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Originally Posted by locknload View Post

Tyrone...going to put the faith in you. A big chunk of the tax refund going to fund this purchase....Pat tells me the Carbon Fiber are lighter and have more "pop"...its a about $100 more...is it worth it?
Honestly, I haven't personally skied a pair with the carbon fiber weave yet. I only skied the all fiberglass version, and thought it skied great and didn't notice any specific weight issue that caught my attention. I'll see if I can get some weights posted of the two different layups for you so you can see the difference.

What I can say though based on personal experience regarding carbon impregnated fiberglass layup vs. the all fiberglass layup is that last year one of the first pairs of 192 Fats that I had were all fiberglass (not the carbon weave version). I thought that they were ridiculously heavy. Now my current pair of 192 Fats have the carbon impregnated weave and I did notice a significant weight reduction. It was great.

However, the 192 FAT has more surface area than the 186 Brocker so differences in the 192 might be more dramatic.

I'll try to get a more clear answer/comparison for you early next week.
post #11 of 27
Thanks man...good insights. Will look forward to the pix and the additional data you gather....

Cheers
post #12 of 27
Damn! This was just what I was thinking about...despite having too many skis, i'm interested. Any chance you get a pair on the road, maybe up toward Baker? Or do I have to go track Samwich down and rest them from him?
post #13 of 27
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Any chance you get a pair on the road, maybe up toward Baker? Or do I have to go track Samwich down and rest them from him?
Unfortunately tracking down Sammy and Athan (not sure if you know him too?) will be the best way at the moment Harry. Splat was just up in Whister for final prototype testing like a week or two ago, so you may have just missed him.
post #14 of 27
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Here are two more pics of um...prototype testing

PMGear athlete Athan Merrick (on the Brockers:


post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by locknload View Post
Pat tells me the Carbon Fiber are lighter and have more "pop"...its a about $100 more...is it worth it?
ok got some weights for you:

186 Brocker with all fiberglass layup = 5 lbs 4 oz.
186 Brocker with carbon/glass layup = approx a half pound lighter, or 4 lbs 12oz.

hope that helps.
post #16 of 27
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still waiting for close-up pics detailing camber changes, etc...
Here are a few admittedly not so good pics, but hopefully they give you some idea of the ski.

Full quiver pic showing the general shape of she ski (they're the ones with the 'shark nose' tip next to the speed skis). They are currently wearing the 192 topsheet, which will most likely change for next season (we are thinking basically all black like the 195's on the left):


Sideview showing the tip rocker as well as the underfoot camber. The tails are non-rockered, with a small twin:


It was difficult trying to get side pics of the camber and rocker since I was solo. When you press the skis together to de-camber them (basically to simulate what would happen when you're standing on them), the tips splay a little further apart from each other, and the rocker is noticeable quite far down the ski..I'd say the upper third is visibly rockered when the skis are pressed. It was too hard to hold the skis together with one hand, while holding the camera back with the other to get a good shot of this.

I only had them out for a few runs on Sunday at Kirkwood due to all the upper mountain lifts being shut due to wind, so I really didn't get to ski them all that much. But one thing I can say....unlike other rockered skis that I've tried (i.e. spats, lotus 138's, praxis), you can stand on the downhill ski of these like a traditional ski and it will carve and hold and edge. I will be using these in lot more conditions than just pow and I'm stoked on their versatility. If you have any questions let me know (traveling a bit now though so might be slow to respond).
post #17 of 27
Thanks for the pics, ty!

I like that tip. That looks like a fun resort/tree ski. (read- next quiver-niche needing attention.)

However... when are you going to build a ski to replace that Atomic in your quiver?
post #18 of 27
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However... when are you going to build a ski to replace that Atomic in your quiver?
I think I have a spare steel I-beam in my garage. I'll just paint it with a 'FKNA' on there and call it good.

Which is basically what that Atomic is. It doesn't have a real topsheet, it's basically paint on a steel : The drill bits were smokin when my buddy was mounting them up.
post #19 of 27
Looks like a cool ski, in fact it has "fun" written all over it. How do they do in crud? Other skis that have a long tip can be a handful in crud because the tip tries to ride over stuff rather than going through it, which feeds a bumpy ride into the forward contact point of the ski. I'm wondering if this ski will behave the same way, since it has an actual forward contact point.
post #20 of 27
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Looks like a cool ski, in fact it has "fun" written all over it. How do they do in crud? Other skis that have a long tip can be a handful in crud because the tip tries to ride over stuff rather than going through it, which feeds a bumpy ride into the forward contact point of the ski. I'm wondering if this ski will behave the same way, since it has an actual forward contact point.
I haven't had a crud day on them yet, but I will let you know. I know exactly what you're describing above, and we did take that into consideration when designing them. The forward-ish contact point should indeed help, as well as that "shark nose" tapered tip...less deflection in heavy crud and mashed potatoes
post #21 of 27
Cool, sounds good.
post #22 of 27
Have you gotten those speed skis out and really worked 'em? Anyone around with a radar gun when you did? Just curious.
post #23 of 27
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Have you gotten those speed skis out and really worked 'em? Anyone around with a radar gun when you did? Just curious.
Nope. Just got them mounted up over the weekend. I'll get them out soon though. And what you mean about 'workin 'em'? These things are gonna kick my ass!
post #24 of 27
Any time on the Brocker?
post #25 of 27
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Any time on the Brocker?
Very limited for me personally....by the time I got my pair, the storm faucet shut itself off at Kirkwood. I really only have 2 days on my pair and they were essentially spring/hardpack days, not conditions the ski is specifically designed for. I've been on my 183 Bro's nearly every day for the past month.
post #26 of 27
Thanks.

The reviews on TGR seem pretty impressive. Trying to decide between these or a similar Praxis for the next season(s).

Spring skiing is full on at Kirkwood....though this weekend looks like a winter storm without the snowfall .
post #27 of 27
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Here are two more pics of um...prototype testing

PMGear athlete Athan Merrick (on the Brockers:


That first picture is absolute filth. I don't care what that guy is riding, that picture rocks
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