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2009 Head World Cup Speed

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As long as I'm doing reviews, I want to rave about the ski I got to try yesterday here at Jackson Hole. It's the new 2009-model Head World Cup Speed.

This is a new ski for the Head line and it's a "cheater" GS ski. It has the same vertical sidewall, laminate construction as the race department GS (FIS-legal) ski, but with an 18-meter turn radius instead of the FIS-legal sidecut. I skied the 180cm length and I don't know what other lengths it will come in for next year (he thought the longest would be around 185cm). I also didn't get the dimensions, but I think it has a 66mm waist width.

I skied it on excellent groomers and took a few minor forays into some chalky steeps and some moderately hard, medium-sized bumps. I'm 6'1", 195#. I ski a lot and I like race-type skis but I also like to ski them off-piste.

This ski was *seriously* fun. Very smooth and stable as you would expect from a Head race ski, but the 18-meter turn radius makes it much more maneuverable than the full-on GS ski. It was pretty easy to snake this ski around in the bumps but it was totally solid going fast on the groomers. I skied it in some moderate junk and it worked very nicely.

I think this ski is definitely worth considering if you're looking for a hard-snow workhorse that you can play around with off-piste.

I loved it.
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
As long as I'm doing reviews, I want to rave about the ski I got to try yesterday here at Jackson Hole. It's the new 2009-model Head World Cup Speed.

This is a new ski for the Head line and it's a "cheater" GS ski. It has the same vertical sidewall, laminate construction as the race department GS (FIS-legal) ski, but with an 18-meter turn radius instead of the FIS-legal sidecut. I skied the 180cm length and I don't know what other lengths it will come in for next year (he thought the longest would be around 185cm). I also didn't get the dimensions, but I think it has a 66mm waist width.

I skied it on excellent groomers and took a few minor forays into some chalky steeps and some moderately hard, medium-sized bumps. I'm 6'1", 195#. I ski a lot and I like race-type skis but I also like to ski them off-piste.

This ski was *seriously* fun. Very smooth and stable as you would expect from a Head race ski, but the 18-meter turn radius makes it much more maneuverable than the full-on GS ski. It was pretty easy to snake this ski around in the bumps but it was totally solid going fast on the groomers. I skied it in some moderate junk and it worked very nicely.

I think this ski is definitely worth considering if you're looking for a hard-snow workhorse that you can play around with off-piste.

I loved it.
How would you compare it to the SS Speed which sounds very similar at 16.6M @ 177cm.
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I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it.
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Got enough pop for a heavyweight (230) do you think? I love how smooth Heads are but if I have a gripe about my iSLs it's that they don't really sling me into the next turn...
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Please compare and contrast to current SS speed. Thanks.
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How does it compare with the Fischer Worldcup RC?
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Originally Posted by Awalkspoiled View Post
Got enough pop for a heavyweight (230) do you think? I love how smooth Heads are but if I have a gripe about my iSLs it's that they don't really sling me into the next turn...
I don't think this one is exactly a "slinger". I would think you'd want the full-on race skis, designated RD (for Race Department), if serious slinging is your goal.

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How would you compare it to the SS Speed which sounds very similar at 16.6M @ 177cm.
That's hard for me to say. The only time I've skied the SS Speed was two years ago when the model first came out (as the red/white/black current incarnation). I skied it at Snowbasin at the industry thing and I honestly didn't like it that much. It's probably me and maybe how they were tuned, but the pair I was on seemed to be somewhat difficult for me in "finishing" the turn. They seemed to initiate the turn just fine but I had a tendency to get railed on them and I had a harder time getting them to come through the fall line than most of the skis I've been on. It might have been mounting point too, but for whatever reason I just wasn't that comfortable on them and I haven't skied them since.

The World Cup Speed just seemed to make a really nice round turn. I didn't have to adjust my skiing to get it to work through all phases of the turn.

I'll also add that I talked this morning with a couple of the shop people who skied it as well. They loved the WC Speed, and these are guys who are convinced (like many around here) that any ski less than 100mm underfoot is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by epic View Post
I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it.
I certainly do.

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Please compare and contrast to current SS speed. Thanks.
See above.

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How does it compare with the Fischer Worldcup RC?
I've skied a friend's 2007 Worldcup RC in - I think - a 175 or 176cm. I liked that ski a great deal. Very nice turn shape and great edge hold. I think the Head is a tiny bit quieter and smoother (keep in mind that I'm a rep for Head so take my opinions with a grain of salt), but I was VERY impressed with that ski. Prior to skiing this World Cup Speed, I would say that the Fischer Worldcup RC was my favorite ski in that category.

Thanks for the questions, everybody. Sorry I couldn't help more with the SuperShape Speed.
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
the pair I was on seemed to be somewhat difficult for me in "finishing" the turn. They seemed to initiate the turn just fine but I had a tendency to get railed on them and I had a harder time getting them to come through the fall line than most of the skis I've been on.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate on what you mean by Railed? Thank you for your time.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate on what you mean by Railed? Thank you for your time.
Sure.

I would get the skis over on edge at the top of the turn, coming into the apex of the turn with the skis pointed DOWN the hill. At that point, when they should start coming back across the hill underneath me, they seemed to want to just keep pointing downhill. I seemed to be getting stuck with my weight inside the turn.

As I say, that could be explained by a lot of things, not the least of which is pilot error but also possibly tune or mounting point. Nevertheless, I found I would have to consciously move my weight more forward to keep the tips engaged and round out the turn. I don't seem to experience this with most other race-type skis that I've used.

It just wasn't a comfortable ski for me.
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Dimensions on WC iSpeed are 112-66-94 lengths for 2009 are 165, 170, 175 and 180. By comparison the SS Speed is 116-68-100 and comes in 156, 163, 170, 177

Mike
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Sure.

I would get the skis over on edge at the top of the turn, coming into the apex of the turn with the skis pointed DOWN the hill. At that point, when they should start coming back across the hill underneath me, they seemed to want to just keep pointing downhill. I seemed to be getting stuck with my weight inside the turn.

As I say, that could be explained by a lot of things, not the least of which is pilot error but also possibly tune or mounting point. Nevertheless, I found I would have to consciously move my weight more forward to keep the tips engaged and round out the turn. I don't seem to experience this with most other race-type skis that I've used.

It just wasn't a comfortable ski for me.
Bob, that sounds to me like the tune. I have a .7 and 3 degree on my Ss speed and it has become my favorite ski. I was not crazy about the ski with the factory tune. IMHO Head's factory tunes generally speaking have too much base bevel and no where near enough side edge bevel.

Even a true 1/3 makes the SS speed into an entirely differnet ski. I find it extremely versatile, extremely fast, quiet and much snappier with edge hold as good as anything I have ever skied, once tuned properly!
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Is THAT what the problem is...

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Bob, that sounds to me like the tune. I have a .7 and 3 degree on my Ss speed and it has become my favorite ski. I was not crazy about the ski with the factory tune. IMHO Head's factory tunes generally speaking have too much base bevel and no where near enough side edge bevel.

Even a true 1/3 makes the SS speed into an entirely differnet ski. I find it extremely versatile, extremely fast, quiet and much snappier with edge hold as good as anything I have ever skied, once tuned properly!
...I just dumped two pairs of Head IGS RDs because one pair had a two degree BB and the other pair had...get this...a four degree base bevel. I never even checked it, because I never thought any race room ski would come out of the box like that. I have no idea how I even skied on them for 1 1/2 seasons, but they felt seriously spooky after our last day of full-length, big hill GS training. Even after getting one of the really good local shops to get them back to an honest 1/3, neither pair felt right. I'm going back to Atomic exclusively; I have two pairs of 186 Atomic GS 12 FIS legal skis on order...
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