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Stockli DP vs. XXXL?

post #1 of 23
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I skied the XXXL last month at Snowbasin, and was very, very impressed with it in high-speed crud. I was on the 178cm. But, this ski was near worthless in any slower-speed conditions, although I loved the feel of it. I have heard that the DP is a bit softer, and was considering getting a pair of one or the other. I saw a bit older thread that touched on these, but are there any opinions which would be better one way or the other? I have the Huge Trouble for really deep days and Progressors or 82Xti's for more hard-snow days, so these would be my crud/moderate fresh snow/soft carver ski.
post #2 of 23
The DP has less sidecut, wider waist and is sized differently, the 174cm or 184cm are closest. The DP has a looser feel, it's easier to pivot and scarve. The XXXL (SS Pro) has more of a wide GS ski feel. Neither ski wants to be skied slow or timidly... the DP is probably slightly more forgiving.
post #3 of 23
While I agree 100% with Whiteroom, I would not call the DP Pro a forgiving ski, simply the more forgiving of the two (which is Whiteroom meant)...if you ski 'em short. "Forgiving" is not a word I'd use to describe them. They really do well when they are driven, not ridden.

Take them in 184cm, then they are beasts, dauntless crudbusters, sonic-boom-inducing full-floating powder surfboards, and clearly have an adrenalin-o-meter that goes up to eleven.

If you want something between Progressors and Huge Troubles, then....how about, well anything in the 84-94mm range? I'm partial to the Wateas, but there are a lot of excellent skis in that range of waist widths.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by faber View Post
While I agree 100% with Whiteroom, I would not call the DP Pro a forgiving ski, simply the more forgiving of the two (which is Whiteroom meant)...if you ski 'em short. "Forgiving" is not a word I'd use to describe them. They really do well when they are driven, not ridden.

Take them in 184cm, then they are beasts, dauntless crudbusters, sonic-boom-inducing full-floating powder surfboards, and clearly have an adrenalin-o-meter that goes up to eleven.

If you want something between Progressors and Huge Troubles, then....how about, well anything in the 84-94mm range? I'm partial to the Wateas, but there are a lot of excellent skis in that range of waist widths.
I have Watea 94's, but might be looking for something with a more traditional damp, wood core feel. I really liked my 888's, but sold them to get the 94's, and am not sure it was the correct choice. The iM88 is out (I can't get them until next year), and I am also considering the Stockli offerings (I can get the XXXL and DP Pro right now). We have a pair of Big Heat's from Fischer in the shop in 174cm, which would be a great choice as well.

I may also keep the Legend Pro 176's that we have at the shop, although they feel a little short.

I am not too worried about tons of forgiveness, but if I am skiing bumps, I need a ski that doesn't totally kick me around, yet that holds up at very high speeds in crud. Hence the reason I was checking out the Stockli.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
I am not too worried about tons of forgiveness, but if I am skiing bumps, I need a ski that doesn't totally kick me around, yet that holds up at very high speeds in crud. Hence the reason I was checking out the Stockli.
From what you're describing, the skis you're looking for are just like my 777's in a 184... which you sold me

damp, traditional feel, great at speed in crud, not bad in bumps, etc. My 777s to a T!

re: crudbusting and large stockli-like skis, I recently had some head supermojos(the 103s from a few years ago, in a 193) mounted up. They are, unsurprisingly, more stable than the 777s.... but only a bit. That said, they're comparatively horrendous in bumps and tight spaces, and weigh 7 metric tons. Point being, I doubt you'd lose much in terms of crud performance with a 777, but you'd gain all kinds of versatility vs the XXXL (though I've never skied it... it might be lithe and agile, for all I know.)... Then again, you HAVE skied both skis, so I don't really know why I'm rambling all of this. I guess I really enjoy those skis!

G
post #6 of 23
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Take them in 184cm, then they are beasts, dauntless crudbusters, sonic-boom-inducing full-floating powder surfboards, and clearly have an adrenalin-o-meter that goes up to eleven.
I want the drugs he's having :
post #7 of 23
a ski that performs well as a crudbuster is by its structure not going to work in bumps, at all, period. I ride Stormriders and can confirm that they are not bump compatible, too stiff with too much rebound = throw you into the back seat while accelerating out of your rhythm.
post #8 of 23
The DP is not going to fit what you're looking for. It doesn't really go "slow" at all. The DP I think is softer in the shovel which makes it a bit better for maching over crud and better for powder - but with a 30m sidecut and dual metal laminate the skis are anything but forgiving IMO. They ski great - but aren't a ski for the faint of heart.
post #9 of 23
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The DP is not going to fit what you're looking for. It doesn't really go "slow" at all. The DP I think is softer in the shovel which makes it a bit better for maching over crud and better for powder - but with a 30m sidecut and dual metal laminate the skis are anything but forgiving IMO. They ski great - but aren't a ski for the faint of heart.
yeah, that is what I figured as well. I loved the XXXL, but I didn't feel it would be very nimble. Going fast, big turns, it was absolutely stellar. So, I need 4 pair of skis, it looks like. Basically a race or race-bred ski, a versatile midfat that can handle bumps and groomers, a crudbuster, and a wide ski for our crappy snow here. I doubt I can swing that, so will probably make the Progressor work off-piste, or the 82ti work as my carver.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
a ski that performs well as a crudbuster is by its structure not going to work in bumps, at all, period. I ride Stormriders and can confirm that they are not bump compatible, too stiff with too much rebound = throw you into the back seat while accelerating out of your rhythm.
In his younger days, Plake was famous for skiing bumps on DH skis with a walkman on. Nothing wrong with his rhythm.
post #11 of 23
Have you skied XXL or TT?
post #12 of 23
...or the Snake Coral.
post #13 of 23
I'm curious about the snake coral myself....anyone tried them????
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by faber View Post
In his younger days, Plake was famous for skiing bumps on DH skis with a walkman on. Nothing wrong with his rhythm.
f Plake, he's a clown
post #15 of 23
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Have you skied XXL or TT?
The TT is a totally underated ski.

I bought mine from Whiteroom last fall and it is quickly becoming my everyday ski except for when things are boilerplate. I opted for the 177 length but I could have gotten the 188 I believe and still feel he same way. At 125-95-115 it is not the widest ski but it is very quick edge to edge on hardpack and it just blasts through crud. I've had it in 18" of fresh snow and while it doesn't float on top, it performs well enough for me. This ski can be skied slow or fast, it does not matter. I think the reason that this ski performs so well for me is the Iso-Core. The wood core Stocklis require being driven hard all of the time and I am, at 170 lbs., not the largest skier in the world. I love my Stormrider Xls but for me, the TT can do everything the Xls can do and more. Demo it.
post #16 of 23
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f Plake, he's a clown
Agreed, but he skied bumps on DH skis, and he wasn't the only one. No rhythm problems BITD.

The only challenge to skiing DP Pros in bumps is swing weight more than anything. They are not light skis and test your core strength over the course of an afternoon in bump runs. But otherwise they are quite capable in the moguls.
post #17 of 23
yeah, Dawg,
great feel, but tough fit for the niche you are looking for.
the DP isn't it, trust me. the SS is closer imo, but still not quite it.
post #18 of 23
I can't seem to find a 184cm DP Pro at a good price.
Can people comment on what other skis would be
close in performance? 20 meter + radius, wood core/
metal laminate, 180 - 185cm length preferably.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by t1henderson View Post
I can't seem to find a 184cm DP Pro at a good price.
Can people comment on what other skis would be
close in performance? 20 meter + radius, wood core/
metal laminate, 180 - 185cm length preferably.
184 Dynastar Legend Pro Rider
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post #21 of 23
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Not to revive a dead thread, but it seems the XXL is probably a better choice. Even though I loved the XXXL, it really felt like a ski for bigger guys. From what I hear, the layup is the same on the XXL, but given that there isn't as much ski to flex, it would be the better choice for the do-everything ski. Damn, I loved that XXXL though. On our mountain, it might be too much ski in certain spots: lots of tight trees, and not so many areas where you can really open up the throttle. Unlike S-basin, where I skied it last year and they have all of those cleared areas off of John Paul from the Olympics DH. You can really let the skis run through there.

If I were looking at the XXL, which length would I opt for: 170 or 178? I am 5 foot 9, 155lbs. I was on the 178 in the XXXL, but that is a wider ski, designed more for off-piste skiing.
post #22 of 23
Dawg, don't you think the 82ti is gonna be a little shapey for bumps? Have you skied it in bumps? If so, how'd it play?
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by faber View Post
Agreed, but he skied bumps on DH skis, and he wasn't the only one. No rhythm problems BITD.

The only challenge to skiing DP Pros in bumps is swing weight more than anything. They are not light skis and test your core strength over the course of an afternoon in bump runs. But otherwise they are quite capable in the moguls.
Plake only skied bumps on DH skis because they were the best quality that he could get at the time - tech has moved on a bit since then.

The DP Pro is one of those skis that has a perfect length (193cm) the 184 cm does not ski as well. That said I have skied them in all conditions and they can turn in bumps they are just not the most fun.

If your idea of fun in the bumps is skimming over the tops of them at about 40 mph (tapping the tops of the bumps) then they work great in bumps. They are the kind of skis that encourage one to do about 4 turns in the space one would normally do 15-20. They are also the kind of skis that gets one 'warned' by mountain safety or ski patrol on a regular basis. At least they normally take one look at the skis and sort of accept your lame excuse that 'the skis made me do it'.

I love mine but I am getting a pair of Prior Overlord in 185 cm for deep powder and trees (with deep powder) as the DP Pros just want to be skied too fast for my nerve threshold and require too much energy.

If Stockli ever said that they were stopping production on the DP Pro I would buy five pairs so and store them in UV proof shrink wrap in my wine cellar so I knew I had a DP Pro available for the next 30 years. They are really that good.
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