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post #1 of 11
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Update on my potentially completed search for 1 Ski quiver (for now )

Reminder: 6'2" 180-185 lbs, live and ski in Seattle area but travel to other regions in the West and Rockies too. I ski primarily blacks (some double-blacks -not too well), blues when I am with less experienced friends and like to be off-piste as much as possible but also like to play (and get better) in the bumps. Try to get in the trees if not too tightly-spaced. I ski a combination of old-school and modern technique depending on conditions. Errors usually arise from falling into the back-seat.

A bit of history (summarized from various other posts)
After trying various other skis and with advise from SJ and others on this site, I had narrowed down my search to the 8000, Watea84, and the MRs. I skied the MRs in a 178 in Colorado on older snow with some light stuff (couple of inches) and really liked them even though they are heavy to huck around for future potential "side-country". I could even do the moguls (relatively widely spaced) comfortably but not great. Recently tried the 8k and MRs in a too short length of 172 at Mt. Baker in some deeper heavy, and mashed potato and slow snow. While I preferred the MRs on the steeps, the 8000s were much more amenable to tightly spaced moguls. Also, I had trouble turning the MRs quickly in the heavy snow on low or moderate slopes; and while the 8k bounced around alot I could pretty much get them to do everything I wanted. (Note: my pivot point on one of my boots was most likely missing during the MR demo so that might have been part if not all of my reason for problems with trun initiation).

Even though, I was then leaning to the 8000k for an all-arounder (ie moguls too) I had decided that I really wanted to try the 8000s and MRs in a 178 (and maybe a Watea84) and see if the longer length (and repaired boot) of the MRs would give me a little more flex in the tight moguls and be more comfortable (the 172s really seemed to bang me up in the moguls but it may also have been the boot). Unfortunately, I have not been able to find demos at any of the mountains around here. I was supposed to be able to get the 8000s in a 178 and the Watea (176) at Sturtevants, but they couldn't find them. I wasn't too crazy about getting two demos at the same time ($80 total) anyways.

So, although, I still would like to try the 8000 and MRs in a 178 (maybe a Watea84), I found a great deal at REI for the 8000 with the Fluid System in a 184 (that's all they had in the Seattle store). Since I am planning on skiing locally later this week and planning a trip for late next week to SLC (most likely) and want to take a pair of skis with me, I got impulsive last night (and tired of waiting) and paid for the 8000s in a 184 length. They are mounting and waxing them for me for Wednesday. At that moment, I thought that since I would only most likely have a 1- SQ for everything, the longer length would give me more off-piste capabilities without sacrificing the greater flexibility inherent in the model (relative to the MRs in a 178) and capability to still do moguls and ski with less experienced friends on blues and still have fun.

Later last night and early this morning, I am starting to wonder if I made the right decision (I guess I could still just let them know that I decided against them). According to Dynastar site, the 8k radii are 19 (178) and 21 (184), and the MRs are also 21m for the 178 length I was considering. Have I just completely counteracted the benefit of the softer flex of the 8k (and amenability to bumps) by going to a 184 length? Am I basically now going to be skiing a ski more comparable to the MRs in a 178? Probably not, but have I really "missed the boat" on this.

Any advise?
Should I should just go for the 8000 in a 178 (or a MR in a 178 or Watea84), and "return" the 8k 184s without skiing them?

Alternatively, I am even considering going skiing on Thursday with these new ones and also pick up either the 8000s in a 178, MRs in a 178, or Watea84 (176 or 184) as a demo at a local shop (if they have it) and do an on-mountain comparison with my new purchased 184 8Ks.

Calm me down, OK? (Sorry about the length of this post - I just wanted to make sure all have the complete background before offering advice).

One last thing, can the PX12 with the Fluid System be easily repositioned for adjustments fore or aft from center?

Thanks again all of you. You are SUPER!!

BigNick
post #2 of 11
Big Nick, I weigh the same as you and am 5'10". My first 8k's were 178s which was the recommended size for me. I later sold them and bought the 172's. I like the 172's a lot and felt the 178's to be a bit long for me. I was coming from a 164 metron prior to the 178's and this may have influenced how the ski felt. If it were me, and you have the option, I would back out of the 184's. A good price deal ain't no deal if the ski is wrong. On the other hand the 8k's are pretty popular and you could ski the 184 and decide later if it was the right size. If not you probably could turn it for not much loss. Good luck, hindsight decisions are hard:
post #3 of 11
BN:

I am 5-10/195# and prefer the 178. I own an older pr in 184 that has a lot of miles on it but generally prefer the 178. I only use the 184 now as a rock ski.

SJ
post #4 of 11
I'm 165-ish, 6', have skied both the 172 and 178, prefer the 172. Would not recommend the 184 for someone only 20 lbs heavier.
post #5 of 11
I'm 5'11" 165lbs and ski the 8000 in a 172 for bumps and trees at Mary Jane and other CO front range areas. I have the 8800 in a 178 for powder days. For bumps and trees you are probable better off with the 178.
post #6 of 11
You're 10lbs more than me and I'm on the 178's and love them and they 'fit me well' (thanks SJ). I could 'make due' just fine with the 184s, (the 178s are the shortest skis I've ever owned), but I'd think the 178s would be a better fit for you from your description.
post #7 of 11
I'm 5' 10" and weigh 175 and LOVE the 178 length. Rips the bumps and good in the steeps. Does get bounced around a little in the crud.

I think you could go either way. Although it seems to me that if REI had the 178, you would have gotten it in that length. If that's true, return the ski and get one via the internet. Esp if you go with the fluid system, it takes 5 minutes to mount and easily can move it forwards or back.
post #8 of 11
When I was buying my 8K's a few years ago I did demo them in 184 and 178. (I am 6 ft tall, 187 lb). At the time I was on 187 XScreams, so I was able to manage the 184 just fine, but the ski felt a tad sluggish and somewhat unremarkable, very similar to XScreams in feel. The 178 in comparison felt tremendously quick, snappy, and just much more fun everywhere except nasty crud. 178s still were almost as stable as 184s. My feeling is that extra length won't buy you that much more stability in the 8K, if you are looking for a more stable ski, you may want to go to the MR, but 178 8Ks may be more fun. Keep in mind that you are taller than I am, so you may find the 184 more of an all-around ski for you, but my personal feeling that MRs in 178 my be a better choice than 184 8K. Still 178 8K is tremendous fun in the right snow...

Alex



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Originally Posted by BigNick View Post
Update on my potentially completed search for 1 Ski quiver (for now )

Reminder: 6'2" 180-185 lbs, live and ski in Seattle area but travel to other regions in the West and Rockies too. I ski primarily blacks (some double-blacks -not too well), blues when I am with less experienced friends and like to be off-piste as much as possible but also like to play (and get better) in the bumps. Try to get in the trees if not too tightly-spaced. I ski a combination of old-school and modern technique depending on conditions. Errors usually arise from falling into the back-seat.

A bit of history (summarized from various other posts)
After trying various other skis and with advise from SJ and others on this site, I had narrowed down my search to the 8000, Watea84, and the MRs. I skied the MRs in a 178 in Colorado on older snow with some light stuff (couple of inches) and really liked them even though they are heavy to huck around for future potential "side-country". I could even do the moguls (relatively widely spaced) comfortably but not great. Recently tried the 8k and MRs in a too short length of 172 at Mt. Baker in some deeper heavy, and mashed potato and slow snow. While I preferred the MRs on the steeps, the 8000s were much more amenable to tightly spaced moguls. Also, I had trouble turning the MRs quickly in the heavy snow on low or moderate slopes; and while the 8k bounced around alot I could pretty much get them to do everything I wanted. (Note: my pivot point on one of my boots was most likely missing during the MR demo so that might have been part if not all of my reason for problems with trun initiation).

Even though, I was then leaning to the 8000k for an all-arounder (ie moguls too) I had decided that I really wanted to try the 8000s and MRs in a 178 (and maybe a Watea84) and see if the longer length (and repaired boot) of the MRs would give me a little more flex in the tight moguls and be more comfortable (the 172s really seemed to bang me up in the moguls but it may also have been the boot). Unfortunately, I have not been able to find demos at any of the mountains around here. I was supposed to be able to get the 8000s in a 178 and the Watea (176) at Sturtevants, but they couldn't find them. I wasn't too crazy about getting two demos at the same time ($80 total) anyways.

So, although, I still would like to try the 8000 and MRs in a 178 (maybe a Watea84), I found a great deal at REI for the 8000 with the Fluid System in a 184 (that's all they had in the Seattle store). Since I am planning on skiing locally later this week and planning a trip for late next week to SLC (most likely) and want to take a pair of skis with me, I got impulsive last night (and tired of waiting) and paid for the 8000s in a 184 length. They are mounting and waxing them for me for Wednesday. At that moment, I thought that since I would only most likely have a 1- SQ for everything, the longer length would give me more off-piste capabilities without sacrificing the greater flexibility inherent in the model (relative to the MRs in a 178) and capability to still do moguls and ski with less experienced friends on blues and still have fun.

Later last night and early this morning, I am starting to wonder if I made the right decision (I guess I could still just let them know that I decided against them). According to Dynastar site, the 8k radii are 19 (178) and 21 (184), and the MRs are also 21m for the 178 length I was considering. Have I just completely counteracted the benefit of the softer flex of the 8k (and amenability to bumps) by going to a 184 length? Am I basically now going to be skiing a ski more comparable to the MRs in a 178? Probably not, but have I really "missed the boat" on this.

Any advise?
Should I should just go for the 8000 in a 178 (or a MR in a 178 or Watea84), and "return" the 8k 184s without skiing them?

Alternatively, I am even considering going skiing on Thursday with these new ones and also pick up either the 8000s in a 178, MRs in a 178, or Watea84 (176 or 184) as a demo at a local shop (if they have it) and do an on-mountain comparison with my new purchased 184 8Ks.

Calm me down, OK? (Sorry about the length of this post - I just wanted to make sure all have the complete background before offering advice).

One last thing, can the PX12 with the Fluid System be easily repositioned for adjustments fore or aft from center?

Thanks again all of you. You are SUPER!!

BigNick
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hi Gang,

Thanks for all the advice. After the first couple of responses, I was already on my way to get a refund on the skis. It was a nice day today, so I decided to take one of my comp days and drive down to Portland and pick up the pair of the 8000s in a 178 length at REI down there. It was a nice but tiring drive; but I had a good dinner and just got back.

I agree with everyone's suggestions, which all confirmed what I started to think late last night and this morning- namely, that by going to the 8000 in a 184, I might have lost the playfullness I wanted in the ski without really gaining the additional stability I also wanted. As Alex has said in his response, I would be better off getting the MRs in a 178 for the added stability rather than a longer version of the 8000s. I might also have to get a pair of the MRs for myself for my upcoming 50th.

I am going to install the bindings myself tomorrow and get them waxed at REI if they can do it same day -maybe also have them check the bindings to be sure they release as they are supposed to (apparently something related to warranty). But I will still have to increase the DIN setting myself since I need 9 or 9.5 to stay in the bindings and shops, except for Colorado (9.0), always put me at 8 according to their guidelines (Type III).

When I brought them in from the car, I did notice that some of the side edges near the middle of both skis are a bit rusty rusty/blackened (more on the side than on the bottom). The tail and tip are fine. Is this normal? Perhaps its from that good old PNW winter humidity. Any suggestions on getting rid of that? Is it a good idea for the shop to touch up the edges on a new ski?

Any general recommendations on what to do with a new pair other than a std wax? Any special kind of waxing for the first time? I want to make sure I take care of my first pair of new skis in over 25 years.

Thanks again,
BigNick
post #10 of 11
Most likley this edge rust will go away after the first run, so nothing to worry about. Also, with the DIN setting- if you are coming from another company's model, keep in mind that Look bindings can often be skied on a DIN setting lower than any other bindings and they will still not pre-release, so don't be too aggressive on them, and give the shop settings a try before cranking them up. Good luck, it is an awesome ski.

Alex



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Originally Posted by BigNick View Post
Hi Gang,

Thanks for all the advice. After the first couple of responses, I was already on my way to get a refund on the skis. It was a nice day today, so I decided to take one of my comp days and drive down to Portland and pick up the pair of the 8000s in a 178 length at REI down there. It was a nice but tiring drive; but I had a good dinner and just got back.

I agree with everyone's suggestions, which all confirmed what I started to think late last night and this morning- namely, that by going to the 8000 in a 184, I might have lost the playfullness I wanted in the ski without really gaining the additional stability I also wanted. As Alex has said in his response, I would be better off getting the MRs in a 178 for the added stability rather than a longer version of the 8000s. I might also have to get a pair of the MRs for myself for my upcoming 50th.

I am going to install the bindings myself tomorrow and get them waxed at REI if they can do it same day -maybe also have them check the bindings to be sure they release as they are supposed to (apparently something related to warranty). But I will still have to increase the DIN setting myself since I need 9 or 9.5 to stay in the bindings and shops, except for Colorado (9.0), always put me at 8 according to their guidelines (Type III).

When I brought them in from the car, I did notice that some of the side edges near the middle of both skis are a bit rusty rusty/blackened (more on the side than on the bottom). The tail and tip are fine. Is this normal? Perhaps its from that good old PNW winter humidity. Any suggestions on getting rid of that? Is it a good idea for the shop to touch up the edges on a new ski?

Any general recommendations on what to do with a new pair other than a std wax? Any special kind of waxing for the first time? I want to make sure I take care of my first pair of new skis in over 25 years.

Thanks again,
BigNick
post #11 of 11
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Any general recommendations on what to do with a new pair other than a std wax? Any special kind of waxing for the first time? I want to make sure I take care of my first pair of new skis in over 25 years.
Measure your bevel angles, clean them and then do a couple/few wax, scrape & brush cycles. There are some basic insights in our Tuning Blog. Copy/Paste 'Wax Application' in the Search box.
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