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Anyone Else Worried About Cuche (Spoiler)?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Alright, my Benni Raich nightmares have officially ended, but Cuche is only 164 points back with three (for him) races to go. The way he skied in the GS on Saturday (2d place) has me worried.
post #2 of 14
Worried because you are rooting for ... ???
post #3 of 14
Bode wants the DH title more than the overall. He's won that already, but no american has won the DH. He skipped the slalom to go prepare.

If he beats Cuche in the DH both titles are in the bag.

As an aside, Austria will probably be shut out of both overalls and both DH titles, losing them to a country that made an Austrian bodybuilder from a low class caste a prominent politician. The government may fall!
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Worried because you are rooting for ... ???
Rooting? Who's rooting? I just want the best skier to win. My wife scolded me over the weekend for cheering when Raich skied out in the slalom. This is getting a little out of hand.
post #5 of 14
This is a bit lame but, the men's DH training run in Bormio was cancelled today, and since the race was scheduled for tommorow and there haven't been any training runs, then the race will be cancelled too...so Cuche wins by 5pts. I was rather looking forward to a downhill showdown too.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
VERY LAME. This sport continues to shoot itself in the foot. How can you have the whole ball of wax, the overall, up for grabs, and then pull the plug on 100 points?

Too bad for Bode that he doesn't get a shot at the DH title, but too bad for Cuche too, as this pretty much hands the overall to Bode. If I figure correctly, 184 points with two races head to head, and 264 vs. Raich with three. Anything's possible, particularly given how well Cuche skied in GS last weekend, but I'd say he can't make up 180 points in two races.

If anything, the cancellation gives a slight bit of hope to Raich, who certainly would have only lost points in the DH. If he skis balls-out in the SG and Miller goes out...

Also, Werner Heel's unexpected win costs Bode the downhill crown. Those 20 points would come in pretty handy right now.
post #7 of 14
Agreed: it's lame to cancel. It's doubly lame considering that this is the last weekend of the World Cup, so what's there to lose by shuffling the race order around?

As it stands, Raich would need to win at least two of the three remaining races - with Bode out of the points - to win the overall. And Cuche would need to place high in the SG and GS - again, with Bode either out of the points or well down the finish list - to score the upset.

But it ticks me off that Cuche won the DH crown by default - much as I'm peeved that the women's GS cup was decided in the same fashion.
post #8 of 14
How many U.S. skiers have won the DH title?
post #9 of 14
He didn't win by default.
It's a worldcup, the winner is the most consistent skier in a particular or all (overall worldcup) disciplines.
Up until now Cuche did better, was more consistent.
It's not because this last race was cancelled that there's any less valour in the winner.
Maybe Bode was just in shape too late.

I don't really understand teh fuss, safety should go above everything, especially after this season's events with Svindal, McCarthy and Lanzinger.
Other races have been cancelled too, I don't see why cancelling the last race out of safety precautions is any worse or even different from that.
Cuche was the best over all DH's raced this season, period.
post #10 of 14
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I don't really understand teh fuss, safety should go above everything, especially after this season's events with Svindal, McCarthy and Lanzinger.
Other races have been cancelled too, I don't see why cancelling the last race out of safety precautions is any worse or even different from that.
Cuche was the best over all DH's raced this season, period.
I agree on the safety angle: don't hold the race if you can't get the course in shape. But there's no need to squeeze in every race by Sunday (unless it's for TV rights in Austria), so if there's a chance to move around some of the events, and there's an opportunity to run a safe race, then the FIS and race organizers should make those accommodations.

And yes, Cuche has the highest average placing in World Cup DH races this year:

Cuche: 4.33 average finish position
Miller: 5.33 average finish position

Miller has more wins, but Cuche, in the end, was more consistent. Fair enough.

I'd just like to see them square off one more time.

If it's any consolation for fans of racers from the USA: Marco Sullivan finishes 4th for the season in the DH standings, which isn't too shabby. And Manuel Osborne-Paradis leads Team Canada in 6th.
post #11 of 14
I was in Sestriere in 2005 when Bode won the GS world cup. Bode crashed on the first run, Kalle Paulander was leading. All Paulander had to do to win the overall GS title was finish the second run.

Fog moved in, and they cancelled the race. Bode won the title.
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
It's just a crappy way to decide things is all. 2005 was even worse. Ultimately though, I care a lot less about the "little" cups than about the overall. Bode got a little break here in that department, though I think he was going to win the Cup (big "C") anyway. Vonn maybe got a bigger break with the cancellation of the GS last week.

This is one of the limitations of the sport. Not just the weather aspect, but that it takes a lot of time, cash and organization to put on a race. No one wants to see them run an unsafe race, and if they say they can't scramble to get another site/date, who am I to say they're wrong? Still, hate to see it.
post #13 of 14
While they certainly shouldn't have run the race if it was unsafe, I think it's pretty poor planning, and they lost a good opportunity to showcase the sport.

Having all the finals on one weekend in the same place is a nice idea, but it doesn't really leave much margin for error, as we've seen today. Having a showcase event doesn't really mean much if half the races get cancelled. Better to spread it out over a slightly longer time period and leave some room for training runs and rescheduling.

We lost a great opportunity to show off ski racing in an exciting fashion - Miller and Cuche neck and neck for a title that no US racer has won in history. That's something you can get people interested in.
post #14 of 14
Women's DH cancelled today as well. Again, it's kind of disappointing, but in this case, I think it's going to make the women's overall title race more interesting. Riesch will still have to pull something spectacular out of the bag this week though!
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