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durable slalom race skis

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
My dad is looking to replace his 160cm Atomic SL9 skis.

He skis these things as his every-day ski when there is no new snow.

Unfortunately he has broken these and they seem to be weak skis that should not be used on bumps and areas with a chance of rock hits.

I know nothing about Slalom racing skis seeing that my skinny skis are 89mm under foot, But thought someone on this forum would be able to recommend a similar ski with maybe a wood core, or just on that would put up with more everyday abuse.

The SL9s are 123/65/103 and 11m radius. He likes that big shovel, and would probably be ok to go to 165mm and 15m radius.

Thanks in advance
post #2 of 21
How did they break? I broke two pair of SL9s and Atomic replaced them both free of charge so you might try taht if you haven't.

The first time my tip hit the base of a slalom gate square on and it ripped the rubber tip off and cracked the ski. Second time a crossblocked gate slapped the top of my inside ski and shattered it to pieces.

This most recent time I got a store credit and put it towards a pair of SL12s which hopefullyl can take some abuse.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
The first time he blew out an edge and there was nothing underneath to screw a new edge into, I think the ski is hallow inside. anyway after a few failed fixes and a lot of epoxy that held.
most recently (today) he split the base of the ski from edge to edge and cracked one edge. this happened right at the tow of the binding skiing hard bumps.
He wants to just fix the damage, but I don't think the ski will take another hit on that side and next time will just break in half at that spot.

So I am trying to help him get some new skis, he's not much for the internet
post #4 of 21
http://www.interstatemtnco.com/servl...ssignol/Detail

the CS 70 is a new ski coming from rossignol next year. world cup wood core construction, skis like a dream. ideal for someone whos looking for almost race ski performance without expending race ski energy. or maybe a head supershape magnum...its a slalom-like shape, just bigger all over
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Actually those Rossis look ideal... except he would like something that could be had in the sub $1K range...

maybe the isupershape magnum, it's shorter 163 v 165 but with a longer radius 13.5 v 12.3 for the CS70

not having skied anything with less than 20m radius, I don't know if such a small difference would be noticeable outside of racing conditions.

He is looking for skis that "turn on a dime" if i suggest something that will be harder or slower to turn than his current SL9s I have a feeling that he will balk.

Is the real answer to just put up with fragile race skis like the Atomics?
post #6 of 21
the supershape magnum is a great choice. they ski very nicely. wood core WC construction as well, just softer all over and a few mm wider.

if you can find a retailer selling them without the diagonal heel binding you can also save about $100 or so...

dont get to caught up in turn radius and length when youre talking about values that are so close together...most people wouldnt notice those differences...
post #7 of 21
The SL9 is not properly a race ski, but more "race lite".

Yes, it's design'sidecut is race-ski inspired, but it's not built like one.

Your dad should be happy with any brand's top-of-the-line retail race-inspired SL ski. Many brands also have a ski built just like their SL and GS skis but in non-FIS sidecuts (for citizen racing, e.g. NASTAR).

Fischer for example has an RC4 Worldcup SL and RC4 Worldcup GS, both in the FIS sidecuts/lengths but made for the high-end retail market. They also make the same ski but in different sidecuts, the RC4 SC (13m) and RC4 RC (15m). Your dad should be happy with anything like those.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
thanks all good info!

keep in mind that Dad is not doing any racing at all, not even close - he is constantly looking for the freshest softest deepest snow on steep pitches. And yes, I have tried and tried to convince him to buy a ski with larger underfoot dimension, but he refuses stating that they are "too slow to turn" even his metrons collect dust because they turn too slowly.

He "feels" that the large shovel (123mm) of the SL9 gives him better performance on softer snow (read: float) despite the narrow (65mm) waist. When we start talking about going up in radius (even just a few m), I am seeing a trend toward narrower shovel and wider waist. Considering that he is looking for soft snow performance only (no race-course ice) should tip width even play as a deciding factor in this decision? The fischers are so narrow on the tip ~112mm I am sure he would write them off immediately.

I guess where I am going with this... I am worried about a spiral toward the shortest lightest narrowest tightest radius skis on the market until he's on snowblades and I can't be seen with him any more

I'm sure he would be OK with any top-of-the-line SL ski, but only if they can last more than ~100 days without breaking (he pulls about 50 days/yr mostly at Copper or Vail).

When the fresh is piled high, I'm on 184cm 144/112/130 D-Senders and saying "later" to the old man. Now those aren't even considered powder skis anymore.

Is there such a thing as a 80mm underfoot ski with a 11m turning radius? would it be quick turning or just a beast?
post #9 of 21
Well, there are several 80-88mm waist skis with ≤20m sidecuts. Most of these skis will have a sufficiently progressive flex to make some short-radius turns with ease. WHile a wider shovel does promote float, you need some width at the waist to sustain it.

I don't think your dad will be happy going from SL skis to skis like yours--big difference and adjustment--but he'll be very happy with something like the K2 Outlaw, Völkl AC40, Fischer Watea 84, Head Monster IM 82 or 88m etc.......
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by faber View Post
The SL9 is not properly a race ski, but more "race lite".

Yes, it's design'sidecut is race-ski inspired, but it's not built like one.

Your dad should be happy with any brand's top-of-the-line retail race-inspired SL ski. Many brands also have a ski built just like their SL and GS skis but in non-FIS sidecuts (for citizen racing, e.g. NASTAR).

Fischer for example has an RC4 Worldcup SL and RC4 Worldcup GS, both in the FIS sidecuts/lengths but made for the high-end retail market. They also make the same ski but in different sidecuts, the RC4 SC (13m) and RC4 RC (15m). Your dad should be happy with anything like those.
Another thing to keep in mind that the non-FIS/race stock Atomic skis like the SL-9 and retail SL-11 are not wood-core, rather they are "Beta" cap construction and foam core.
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity View Post
Another thing to keep in mind that the non-FIS/race stock Atomic skis like the SL-9 and retail SL-11 are not wood-core, rather they are "Beta" cap construction and foam core.

This is precisely why I am trying to find a better/stronger construction for everyday all-mountain skiing.

Does Atomic offer a similar ski in a wood core construction?
post #12 of 21
under a grand?
try to find a 09 Contact Groove from Dynastar it should meet all your initial requirement for your dad...
849ish with a binding in the great white north...should be the same in the USA now that the pricing is harmonized....
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by EVC_CO View Post
This is precisely why I am trying to find a better/stronger construction for everyday all-mountain skiing.

Does Atomic offer a similar ski in a wood core construction?
They offer FIS race skis in with a wood core. Going from the SL9, I would recommend the FIS ST12 155cm (only length available). This is the womans FIS slalom race ski, stiffer than the SL9, but will be more durable. The FIS SL12 (165cm) would probably be WAY too much ski him coming from the SL9. You can find the '08 FIS ST12 for a reasonable price since the season is coming to an end. Here's a pair for under $600

http://cgi.ebay.com/ST-12-ST-12-ATOM...QQcmdZViewItem
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
thank you all for your help, unfortunately at this time he is not going to consider a change and has purchased another pair of SL9s.

I have taken note of your suggestions and will keep them in mind for when this pair breaks. my guess will be 4 days after the warranty expires:
post #15 of 21
Is this common or something?

I've never broken a pair of Atomic skis, and I've skied them almost exclusively.
post #16 of 21
My favorite race sl is the Volkl Racetiger SL in a 165cm(119-66-102)more forgiving is the Rossignol Radial 9 oversize (118-66.5-104) and the Atomic Sl12 (120-65-104)which is more race oriented than the SL-9 is another excellent ski. ALl of the manufactures SL's are very good but if I were sking 50+ days at Copper /Vail i would be looking at a all mountain ski at the very least with a decent side cut as suggested by other posters.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by EVC_CO View Post
Unfortunately he has broken these and they seem to be weak skis that should not be used on bumps and areas with a chance of rock hits.
Geee.....? You think?!?!

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Originally Posted by EVC_CO View Post
keep in mind that Dad is not doing any racing at all, not even close - he is constantly looking for the freshest softest deepest snow on steep pitches. And yes, I have tried and tried to convince him to buy a ski with larger underfoot dimension, but he refuses stating that they are "too slow to turn" even his metrons collect dust because they turn too slowly.
Your dad is nuts!!! It's a common problem.

Your dad needs to move away from the Atomics, in particular the ones with lots of lift and neox/race bindings. The metrons are slow to turn for him because they have lots of lift and heavy binding underfoot, not because of the width. The SL9's only turn fast because they have little (no?) metal in them and are of course very narrow, quick feeling skis.

There are plenty of quick turning alternatives out there. Key is to get a lighter ski with a light, flat mounted binding, in 80-85mm waist range.

Possibly something like the Salomon Foil in a 166cm? 15.2m radius? With Z12 bindings?

Wider with a bit less sidecut? Maybe a Atomic Snoop Daddy in a 163 with Z12's?

Both those setups should be very quick turning.

Again, binding weigh and lift are very, very important factors in how quick turning a ski feels.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
if only he would listen to reason

I bet he wouldn't even consider a ski with over 75mm waist ever for the rest of his life. he just never got it, and now he's an old dog

Don't get me wrong, he's a darn good skier - just not a versatile skier.

well I'll be happy tomorrow when I'm hitting the 15" of fresh on my 112mm wide skis
post #19 of 21
Hey EVC_CO,
If you're interested, I have a pair of really good Fischer WC slaloms (161 cm's)with Tyrolia FF bindings for sale for $325.00 plus shipping. PM or email me at gsmith721@yahoo.com.
post #20 of 21
thats a great deal ^^
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
I'm not going to take advantage though, so they're up for grabs.

now get out there and :
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