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best AT binding for short tours and lift serviced out of bound?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
hey guys, im looking to invest in an AT set up that will be used primarlly in bounds, but also for short tours and side country adventures off lifts. im looking to mount the binding on Volkl Gotamas looking for it to be able to handle aggressive skiing and small hucks. options i am currently considering are
  • Marker Duke: like the sound of high din retention, although i definatly dont need anything that can go as high as 16. the main thing i like about this binding is the idea of the extra wide platform which i guess gives better control of a ski with plenty of girth and its its rigidity. obviously this has a cost in weight but thats not really a big issue for me.
  • Frichi Freerides: lower DIN but lighter than the duke altough climbing comfort is secondary to downhill performance. they sound great but i think they have more stand height (is that right?). plus not as rigid as duke. good because it has more variation in climbing aid height.
  • Silvretta Pure Freeride: not really sure about this one. but Backcountry review said that testers really liked it. i also believe that Doug Combs used to ride them. Conversly I have also heard of people that have had issues with durabilty and reliability issues. can any one give me their opinions of this binding
keep in mind that the first and most important thing for me is the bindings ability to be skiied aggressivly on fat skis and that it is durable and reliable. climbing ability is the secondary consideration for me, in my mind there is no point having a binding that is easy to get to the top on but that dosnt alow for me to have a worry free and fun descent.

any way does any one have any advice to give
post #2 of 29
Duke hands down. The Baron will be available near you soon with a din range of 12, slightly lighter and slightly cheaper.
post #3 of 29
^^^what he said^^^

Cross the silveretta OFF your list. It's a great light touring binding, and works well for exceptionally smooth skiers... but 'agressive lift served' = broken binding.
post #4 of 29
^^^what he said^^^, if you can get the Silveretta's heel to land where it should instead of either side of the ski, then good luck.
post #5 of 29
What they said. You've basically described the Duke's raison d'etre. Assuming you run a DIN of 11 or less, next year's DIN-12 Baron -- a pound lighter on your feet, a Benjamin lighter on your wallet -- may be the better option for you unless your hucks will challenge the plastic heel.
post #6 of 29
I have the Fritschi freerides, I skied them in resort once, since I have two pair of skies (I got these with apache chiefs for $500) and they do fine in resort, and are pretty good for climbing, you have three height setting which is very useful.

and I beleive the freerides have a din setting of 12 or something, that is enouph.
they are raised a little bit, but I never foudn it to be a problem

you could also buy those things that you clip into your bindings and that you can hike with, I heard they are not that great, but their a lot cheaper, and if you rarely use them they will probably do just fine, might be a good way to start
post #7 of 29
Alpine Treker.
post #8 of 29
I did an entire season of patrolling weekends on some Freerides. They tour pretty nice too.
post #9 of 29
ya might be a good way to start out if you already have bindings, you can probably get them pretty cheap, I googled alpine trecker and the second thing that came up was this
http://westslope.craigslist.org/spo/575234259.html
post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 
yeah i was considering trekkers but thing is im allready getting a second set of skis as a pow set up an i figured that paying an extra 200 bucks it would cost to get an full AT binding over a normal binding costs about the same as alpine trekkers with out all the pain. cause duke is like 500 US and a similar high DIN freeride binding with out climb fuction is between 300 and 400 US so really a full AT binding is just as affordable if I need to buy a binding any way
post #11 of 29
FWIW worth, I've skied on Silvretta Easy Gos for about 5 or 6 years at areas (& BC) and beaten the daylights out of them and have been a little amazed how well they handle about anything. I initially got them because I could ski with my tele boots as the bale accepts any boot (now with teles or Tornado Pros). I did find that when it gets hard snow and high speeds, they got scary....but in powder, crud & dense snows they work well (even in bumps).

Now they are on my BD Havocs as my 'powder & AT rig'. So if you are looking for a powder rig, I think you don't need quite the beef all the way through from boots to bindings as you do on high speed carvers and could be perfectly content and versatile for BC & powder days with AT bindings and avoid the weight penalty. It might also increase the options and incentive to tour farther without additional purchases???
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by jazz768 View Post
high DIN freeride binding with out climb fuction is between 300 and 400 US
You should be able to get a pair of high-DIN alpine bindings for under $200. SierraJim has the Look PX15 for $149 shipped. Level Nine has the Tyrolia FF17 or HD14 Railflex2 for $139 plus $10 shipping.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by jazz768 View Post
yeah i was considering trekkers but thing is im allready getting a second set of skis as a pow set up an i figured that paying an extra 200 bucks it would cost to get an full AT binding over a normal binding costs about the same as alpine trekkers with out all the pain. cause duke is like 500 US and a similar high DIN freeride binding with out climb fuction is between 300 and 400 US so really a full AT binding is just as affordable if I need to buy a binding any way
yes, If you are already buying bindings definately


and alpine dad those look pretty sweet, the skier level type 8 makes me frown a little bit, but over all looks pretty good for the price
post #14 of 29
What do you mean, "skier level type 8"?
post #15 of 29
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=67195
probably more topics on it. I tend to ski a little bit harder, but I am not sure how much you have skied etc. might be perfect for you
post #16 of 29
Easy call, especially if $ is not the issue - Duke all the way. I've never been on the dukes but skied inbounds with couple different folks that had the gotama/duke combo and they were pretty stoked on their ski/binding inbounds performance but hadn't climbed yet on the setup. for side country & aggressive skiing, seems the right choice.
post #17 of 29
Short stuff and side country, go with the Duke or Baron. Longer tours, go with the Fritschi Freeride. Longest tours, Fritschi Explore. I have the Duke, Freeride and Explore on various skis, so this is a somewhat informed opinion.
post #18 of 29
As per the general concensus, Duke/Baron. Also keep in mind that the performance is enhanced if you are using an ISO sole on your boots rather than a AT touring boot. I have just used the Dukes in Kashmir for 2 weeks with Garmont Adrenalines/ISO sole and for the skiing I was doing, could not fault the combination.

For longer tours, lighter is definately your friend.
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
yeah well i will defiantly be using iso soles. thanks for the great advice every one i think I will wait and check out the Baron when it comes out and see if it will be good enough if not ill go with dukes. by the way how was Kashmir?
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by jazz768 View Post
..... by the way how was Kashmir?
Will throw a report and photos up shortly in Trip Reports.
post #21 of 29

group buy?

just got the coombas and have the same interests. cant see 450 for bindings though. could we get a better deal as a group?
post #22 of 29
if you're paying $450 you are getting ripped off. Look around some, while the Duke is getting short on supply I've seen stores all over Colorado selling them at the beginning of the season for under $400 and now down around $340. Go online and look about, plus there was a huge rush this year to get the bindings so I'd imagine that next year there will be more deals.
post #23 of 29
Dukes for sale in Bozeman MT for $320 - do not pay $450 receommended.

What is the scoop that they are changing the toe piece mount anyway for next season as the one screw is not enough for the less graceful landers amongst us?
post #24 of 29
Send a personal message to ptex1. He is a sponsor, and was hooking up members earlier this year.
post #25 of 29
I'm using Naxo NX21's which go to DIN 13. I have them on K2 Apache Chiefs. I'm 100% happy with the binding for hardcore skiing inbounds as well as free-heeling uphill.

Naxo is producing this same binding with a Rossignol and Dynastar label on it. For instance, I just bought my wife the Dynastar Legend binding, which is the same as mine but goes to DIN 12 which is plenty for her. I found them online for $234.99.If you haven't been to Wildsnow.com, go there and read all about all the different A/T bindings and gear. Here's the link to Naxo info:

http://tinyurl.com/yuav25

One silly thing I like about the Naxos compared to Dukes is that the Naxos' toepiece has the little ears like most alpine bindings that you can get your fingers under for carrying the skis when you just need to walk uphill for 3-5 minutes. I like carrying my skis that way instead of over my shoulder sometimes for short hikes.

Happy Binding Shopping.

Chris
post #26 of 29
Does that mean you have a ski in each hand?
post #27 of 29
Yes hehe I see I didn't describe that very well. I like to do short hikes with my index finger curled under the front binding wing of either ski. So I have a ski in each hand.

Mostly I do it just out of laziness when I don't feel like standing up straight and putting the skis together and throwing them on my shoulder.

It is nice though for steeper short hikes in particular, having a ski in each hand, so if I lose my balance for a sec I can just touch the ski to the snow and the brake is there to dig in a little and everything. Makes me feel nice compared to having the skis on my shoulder where they can't really help me if I slip.

I don't see many other people carrying their skis this way but I dunno, it's something I've always done. :-)

Chris
post #28 of 29
Dyna Fit bindings are VERY lightweight and totally bomber. I have skied mine in and out of bounds for several years with absolutely no problems.
post #29 of 29
I hope to pick up my first pair of skis with Dynafits in an hour or so. The maiden voyage should be tomorrow. I'm excited!

Dave
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