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Atomic ST12 compared to SL12

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Last week I managed to demo some Atomic SL12s and they were like nothing I have ever skied, stacks of edge hold, very forgiving, and carved anything groomed brilliantly - even skidded turns were handled very well. I was truly amazed and was skiing was at a new level using them over my P60s according to others.

I'm 5'10" and 150lbs and skied these in 160cm and couldn't quite get the turn radius I wanted - skiing gates this could be a problem I think. My friend tried them (6' 195lbs) and matched my turns on my P60s no problem. I'm thinking they may be too stiff which wouldn't be surprising at my weight.

I compared the stiffness of both SL12 and ST12 in the same length in a ski shop and the ST felt significantly softer and I'm concerned they may be slightly too soft. Has anyone here skied both? What is the weight range for the ST? Is it worth me looking at the race stock ST12? I can't demo.

The skis I tried were the SL12pb. Do all race atomics come with the pb stuff or are there 2 versions of each ski?

Thanks for your help!
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Last week I managed to demo some Atomic SL12s and they were like nothing I have ever skied, stacks of edge hold, very forgiving, and carved anything groomed brilliantly - even skidded turns were handled very well. I was truly amazed and was skiing was at a new level using them over my P60s according to others.

I'm 5'10" and 150lbs and skied these in 160cm and couldn't quite get the turn radius I wanted - skiing gates this could be a problem I think. My friend tried them (6' 195lbs) and matched my turns on my P60s no problem. I'm thinking they may be too stiff which wouldn't be surprising at my weight.

I compared the stiffness of both SL12 and ST12 in the same length in a ski shop and the ST felt significantly softer and I'm concerned they may be slightly too soft. Has anyone here skied both? What is the weight range for the ST? Is it worth me looking at the race stock ST12? I can't demo.

The skis I tried were the SL12pb. Do all race atomics come with the pb stuff or are there 2 versions of each ski?

Thanks for your help!
The SL12pb and the ST12pb are nothing like the race stock versions of each. I have the SL12pb (in 160) that I free ski on, and the SL12 Race Stock (165 my racing and training ski). The difference is day and night.

You'll find that the ST12 Race Stock ski is going to be stiffer than the SL12pb. The benefit is it's shorter (155) and smaller turning radius (11.3m) and the added stiffness will give a noticeable edge hold increase on ice. For your weight (it was designed for ~150lb woman racer) it would be a good buy.


Couple questions?

What are you planning on using them primarily for? Free skiing or racing? If free skiing, you'll probably want the SL12. It will be a more forgiving ski in general. You can get this in a 155 length too if you felt the 160 was too long. If you're going to be primarily racing, I would suggest the ST12 Race Stock. It will tend to perform better on the hard icy race course snow. This also means it doesn't want to skid out very much. As with most race stock skis, if you get in the back seat you'll end up on your butt.

Either way, both skis are slalom skis. They want to turn and keep turning, and you have to stay on top of them or they'll take you for a ride.

You really can't go wrong picking up a pair now anyway...everyone with stock left over is blowing them out the doors at great prices!

Cheers,
Jeremy
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Thanks for your reply Jeremy.

They will be used for free skiing the vast majority of the time and although I love to carve all the time they do need to be able to handle occasional skidded turns ok when things get too steep to carve. I imagine race stock don't like that! The SL12s were really surprising in this respect skidding no problem when made to.

I've been told that at 5'10" going shorter than 160 may encourage bad habits, is this true? I probably just need to work herd on my technique to get the stiffer skis to work for me if 150lbs should be ok for them.

Trying to get hold of decently prices atomic race skis here in the UK (or even europe) is a pain
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I have a used SL12 up for sale, 06/07 model.
It's a 165 though.
If you're interested I can take some pics.
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Thanks for asking, I'm probably best on 160 or less though.

Is there much difference year to year on the same model atomic skis?
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Thanks for your reply Jeremy.

They will be used for free skiing the vast majority of the time and although I love to carve all the time they do need to be able to handle occasional skidded turns ok when things get too steep to carve. I imagine race stock don't like that! The SL12s were really surprising in this respect skidding no problem when made to.

I've been told that at 5'10" going shorter than 160 may encourage bad habits, is this true? I probably just need to work herd on my technique to get the stiffer skis to work for me if 150lbs should be ok for them.

Trying to get hold of decently prices atomic race skis here in the UK (or even europe) is a pain
I think you'll like them in the 160 length. After a few days on them you'll get them turning. As your technique improves you'll like them more and more. The cheapest in the 160 length I found was on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/07-08-Atomic-SL1... cmdZViewItem

The '07 and '08 are the same other than the top sheet.

Cheers,
Jeremy
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