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post #31 of 78
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
How would a lift from Underhill impact the quality of the ski down?
there is some rough terrain on the other side of mansfield but by far the steepest way down is where the stowe resort is already settled. the vt state parks have always been really good about swapping land with ski areas so i imagine if there was better ski-potential on the underhill side, stowe or a different resort would have scooped it up by now.

i particularly like stowe because if you learn here, you can ski anywhere and have fun, even on ice and in below 0 temps.

for me, there's nothing better than a homebrew. damn the hop shortage for driving prices up! here's hoping for a better crop this year!
post #32 of 78
I've had some really good homebrews, but the process of manufacture is too much like work for me. Besides, if I brewed my own beer, I'd have no excuse to eat ridiculous quantities of nachos on Wednesdays.

I like Stowe. I think someone should ask what would happen if you put Snowbird in the Green Mountains. The lack of snow would make a bunch of no-big-deal lines real, real scary. The weird French architecture would be even more out of place too.
post #33 of 78
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
... I think someone should ask what would happen if you put Snowbird in the Green Mountains. The lack of snow would make a bunch of no-big-deal lines real, real scary.

Wow Garrett, you bring up a great point. I'm sure glad Snowbird isn't in the Green Mountains
post #34 of 78
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Come ski the hard stuff in the East and you'll see it's for skiers.
Amen!

I grew up skiing in Utah - hucking the cliffs, threading the chutes, loving the steeps and trees - and now ski primarily in the east. And lemme tell 'ya: while the east may not be as steep, the conditions - snow, real ice, tighter-than-tight trees, narrow runs with off-kilter fall lines, raw-to-the-bone cold - are a great equalizer.

Granted, I did a lot of high-level race training in my teens and early-20s, so I learned to ski boilerplate before I moved east, but encountering it in all kinds of conditions, from narrow chutes to trees to frozen waterfalls, really tests your mettle and your skills.

Not to say that it doesn't take equally formidable skills to master the big stuff in the west - it does. But eastern conditions don't tolerate sloppy technique, or lapses in concentration.

I respect all of it.
post #35 of 78
I'm an EC skier but just came back from a nice little jaunt to SLC. I don't think there's any question that any of the big Wasatch peaks offers more variety and easily accessible challenge than Stowe, and more easily reachable and survivable off-piste terrain too. Also the weather's warmer and the snow more reliable. You can't even find Stowe's best terrain unless you've lived there forever or are skiing with someone who has. On the other hand, if you can handle Stowe's tougher tree lines you can DOMINATE anywhere else.
post #36 of 78
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
This is actually total BS. I see that the Utarded Righteousness has gotten to you, Mormon or not.

If you are going to play Internet Tough Guy, you should probably be right.

Besides, you are on the wrong side of the mountains. In a discussion about Stowe and LCC you might as well be the guy from Mt. Snow. I've done my time in PC, BTW.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_109569444


And my favorite cheap beer:


You should really start posting some sick Payday TRs though, we'd all love that.
Ah yeah...glad you could do so much vaunted research (peer reviewed and confirmed by independent sources - i'm sure!) on the internet. Yeah, I too did my incredibly thorough and verified research before I posted:

http://www.csulb.edu/~parayner/Alcohol.html

I will say that the inaccuracy I originally posted was that I incorrectly attributed to a 4%vol to common domestic beers, when it was actually common EU beers.

Oh and the Payday/PCMR comment....thanks for validating that with a "I've done my time in PC" statement. That really makes you so much more credible, because you clearly are now qualified to weigh in. Those are bonafied credentials. You've done your time. Impressive. Also, I find it hilarious that you somehow think that I'm connected to some particular area and that dissing that area disses me. Personally? I have no connection to a particular mountain. I *do* have a connection to the Wasatch and I *do* know that my original statement still stands.
post #37 of 78
When I grew up in Ohio, they had 3.2 beer for 18 year olds and "real beer" (and liquor, and I suppose wine, though few knew what that was...) for those over 21.

That all dissappeared with the federally-mandated uniform drinking age.

As I remember, the two kinds of beer had different color bottle caps.

(This has little relevance to anything, but everytime someone brings up 3.2 beer the memories start to flow..)
post #38 of 78
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
As a guideline, typical American beers (lagers) are generally 3.6 to 3.8% by weight (approx. 4.5 to 4.7 by volume), although, as mentioned, some states mandate a 3.2 beer by weight (4% by volume).

...although in some states it is watered down. Utah, for example mandates a malt liquor as 3.2 by weight (4% by volume).

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Not *any* different that Bud or Miller normally sells anywhere else.
Which is WRONG, Mr. Self Righteous Utah resident.

I like strong Belgian ales, wish you luck with finding a good locally brewed one in Utah.
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I *do* know that my original statement still stands.
Of course, why let the facts get in the way of some good BS?

And of course you aren't "attached" to a particular hill. I wouldn't buy a PC/DV/Canyons pass either. Without a free hookup I'd be driving around a lot. Actually, with a free hookup I'd still be driving around a lot.
post #39 of 78
funny how a thread about stowe got turned into beer thread....also funny how noone in utah really cares about.

also you guys didnt get the memo stowe apparently is in lcc this year.


funny how you east coasters claim to never ski powder
post #40 of 78
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
funny how you east coasters claim to never ski powder
Replace "east coast" with "people who don't live within easy driving distance of Northern Vermont" and you'll be just about right. Dude, I've skied powder at MRG in October.

And no, I would hope people in Utah don't care too much about the beer, or else I'd tell them to quit whining and leave. Trying to claim it is just as good as everywhere else is about as dumb as claiming Mt. Snow is as good as Stowe.
post #41 of 78
Was the beer I bought in growlers from a Park City brewpub 3.2? It tasted a lot better than Bud and the fact that it contained 10-15% less alcohol per pint is probably a plus, less dehydrating.
post #42 of 78
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
Trying to claim it is just as good as everywhere else is about as dumb as claiming Mt. Snow is as good as Stowe.
That statement alone indicates a level of ignorance I just can't leave alone. How much time did you spend here? Did you bother to go to one of those thingys called a 'liquor store'? You know, the place where you can buy all kinds on non 3.2 beer? That place that sells a wide selection "just as good as everywhere else beer"? Sheesh : Yeah, bet your slappin' you head with a big 'ol 'duh' right about know.

Oh and you do know of course, that our micro brews are exempt from the 3.2 law, right? Well, you probably didn't:

http://www.sltrib.com/food/ci_3556620
post #43 of 78
Excuse my ignorance but what is LCC?
post #44 of 78
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Originally Posted by alex4412 View Post
Excuse my ignorance but what is LCC?
Little Cottonwood Canyon home to alta and snowbird and some great backcounty skiing.
post #45 of 78
Totally overrated, I might add. They hardly have any snowmaking. There's no night skiing. And a lot of the chairs don't even have safety bars. Geez.
post #46 of 78
I just spent 5 days at Stowe last week. Would it hold it's own in LCC?? Best laugh of the day!!!!!...... NO!!!!

While I was at Stowe it snowed for 2 days. Wow....right?? Wrong. That is one of the most wind scoured mountains I have ever skied. Period. It snowed for 2 days (the mountain reported 20"). It was hard to find a run with fresh snow?? I kid you not. Wind scoured down to ICE the day after the dump. Sure, some of the glades were nice and soft, but hey, all I really wanted is to ski some trails in powder. Not. Blown off.

I will say the mountain offers some fun natural terrain. The intermediate trails are some of the best cruisers I've skied anywhere. I enjoyed the mountain. Conditions sucked on a lot of the terrain.

Now, about the 300'' this year........It's a total joke!!! They have lost at least 100" to rain. Fact. Sure, 300" may have fallen, but it ain't there now. Period. There is a ton of B.S. to this 300" crap. I suppose the marketing department has a way of saying something that is true and false all in one line!! Total b.s. hype.

While I was there the mountain reported 20" of new snow. I di not once ski in powder over my third buckle!! So ya, they got 20". You can't tell them they didn't.

I'm back home now and thankful that I have Sugarloaf. We have at least twice as much snow as Vermont. And a bunch of good honest people!! No b.s.. We are buried up here in Maine.:::

Rant over.
post #47 of 78
Oh, I should have added.....Starr and Goat were closed. 300"?? Go figure.
post #48 of 78
Man, I've gotta ski Sugarloaf some day. Oh, right, I live in the Alps. Still, I'd like to ski Sugarloaf.
post #49 of 78
If Stowe was in LCC --- wouldn't most of it be underground?
post #50 of 78
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Originally Posted by prickly View Post
I'd like to ski Sugarloaf.
Me too.

FYI - It's not Stowe Marketing reporting snow depths - http://www.uvm.edu/skivt-l/?Page=depths.php

And those pictures, they were taken the same week that Sugaree was here. If that sucked, I guess I really do need to get to the Loaf.
post #51 of 78
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Originally Posted by Sugaree View Post
Now, about the 300'' this year........It's a total joke!!! They have lost at least 100" to rain. Fact. Sure, 300" may have fallen, but it ain't there now. Period. There is a ton of B.S. to this 300" crap. I suppose the marketing department has a way of saying something that is true and false all in one line!! Total b.s. hype.

While I was there the mountain reported 20" of new snow. I di not once ski in powder over my third buckle!! So ya, they got 20". You can't tell them they didn't.
Sorry to hear that you didn't totally enjoy your Stowe experience. I was there this past weekend (where they reported 10" over the weekend), and I was in knee-deep on Bypass and Nosedive. Admittedly it was ridiculously windy, so most of that was probably wind-deposited, but hey -- the wind is blowing the snow somewhere.

Regarding their seasonal snowfall totals... I'm not a Stowe regular (I make it there five or six times a year), but when there's so much snow that the jumps on Hackett's Highway are no longer jumps -- there's a lot of snow. I don't think I've ever seen so much snow on upper upper Liftline either. Sure, they've lost a lot, but there's still a lot there.
post #52 of 78
I know 30 or 40 people from the Vermont area, all very strong skiers or riders (grew up ripping on ice) who have moved to the Northern Rockies just to ski. I don't know 1 single person who has ever left the Rockies just to go ski Stowe or any other Eastern resorts.
post #53 of 78
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
Did you bother to go to one of those thingys called a 'liquor store'?
Sorry, I don't like paying even more ridiculous taxes on my beer. My warm, straight from the state beer. I don't know if you've noticed, but beer from state liquor stores in Utah is sort of expensive.
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That place that sells a wide selection
I've got a wider selection than what is available in the whole state in about one good store here...and we have more than one good store.

This is your Utah beer selection, some of which is limited distribution and not available in every store:
http://javaweb.abc.state.ut.us/NASAp...layPrice .jsp
Your link is borked, but the last time I checked, you can't walk into a brewpub, pay two bucks, and get a nice fresh draft of a strong ale. Again, you fail miserably and are wrong. You must be a closet Mormon or just not drink beer.

http://www.wasatchbeers.com/media-devastator.html
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The beer breaks the mold in Utah, where only beers with 4 percent alcohol by volume (3.2% by weight) can be sold in grocery stores or on draft at bars and microbreweries.
Even The Devastator label tries to break Utah stereotypes. It features a Rocky Mountain big-horned sheep barrelling through the downtown Salt Lake City skyline, nearly knocking over such iconic buildings as the Capitol and the Mormon Temple. "Utah will never be the same," the label boasts.
The saying is only partly true. In order to sell The Devastator, Squatters and Wasatch brew pubs must purchase their bottled beer, at full price, through the state.

Awesome.

I repeat my statement: Claiming the beer hobby in Utah is as good as anywhere else is like claiming Mt. Snow is as good as Stowe. Real dumb.
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Originally Posted by Sugaree
Now, about the 300'' this year........It's a total joke!!! They have lost at least 100" to rain. Fact. Sure, 300" may have fallen, but it ain't there now. Period. There is a ton of B.S. to this 300" crap. I suppose the marketing department has a way of saying something that is true and false all in one line!! Total b.s. hype.
Either your troll-fu is pretty strong, or you need to go take a pill and try again in the morning. Oddly enough I don't expect Snowbird to have 600 inches on the ground when I get there next month. Are you new to this skiing thing?
post #54 of 78
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Originally Posted by danimal's dead View Post
I know 30 or 40 people from the Vermont area, all very strong skiers or riders (grew up ripping on ice) who have moved to the Northern Rockies just to ski. I don't know 1 single person who has ever left the Rockies just to go ski Stowe or any other Eastern resorts.


That pretty much sums it all up. Also how many westeners (not just Utah) hop a plane to ski in New England on their vacation.

I will admit I wouldn't mind being in Maine this week.
post #55 of 78
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
...our micro brews are exempt from the 3.2 law, right?
Ah, so it wasn't just the altitude :.
post #56 of 78
I have a theory that involves skiing and preception, it goes like this:

Skiing is all about preception, an 'epic day' for one person may very well be 'bad skiing' for somone else. Neither person is wrong, it's what they experience and how they precieve that experience.

If you ski 100 days in a season, odds are 20 or 25 will be epic, 60 or so will be good and 15 to 20 will be, well... you'll go home pretty early.

Now here's the important part, it really doesn't matter where you ski because your preception of those days will break down like that. A skier in Alta is going to think 60% of his days were OK and 20% were not worth the time... it all works out the same, skiing is fun no matter where you do it.

Stowe isn't Snowbird, that's alright by me. I like living here. I also enjoy taking vacations to Utah or Wyoming or Tahoe, the skiing there is spectacular... at least thats how I precieve it. Even when the locals say 'it's not that good right now, I didn't bother skiing today'.
post #57 of 78
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
I have a theory that involves skiing and preception, it goes like this:

Skiing is all about preception, an 'epic day' for one person may very well be 'bad skiing' for somone else. Neither person is wrong, it's what they experience and how they precieve that experience.

If you ski 100 days in a season, odds are 20 or 25 will be epic, 60 or so will be good and 15 to 20 will be, well... you'll go home pretty early.

Now here's the important part, it really doesn't matter where you ski because your preception of those days will break down like that. A skier in Alta is going to think 60% of his days were OK and 20% were not worth the time... it all works out the same, skiing is fun no matter where you do it.
More over, you can get spoiled too.

I was at Aspen for 10 days, condition went from good to better (a few inches every other day). Then I went to Utah for another 5. The first 2 days, there were fresh snow. As a result, I was really spoiled and expect soft powder everyday. But by day 4, the 2 day old snow were getting skied off. So day 5 was, well, a lot of icy hardpacked. Not ice, just icy hardpack. I would have gladly skied it had it been, hey, at Stowe. But somehow I didn't feel the same at Utah so ended the day early...

Epic was very insightful. Had Stowe be in LCC and had tons of snow (and no rain)? It wouldn't have half as much bumps. But it probably would have bowls instead of trees on some of its steeper terrains. So, you can't have stowe geography in LCC. You simply can't!

Basically, the comparison is pointless.
post #58 of 78
I'm pretty sure if Stowe was in LCC no one would have bothered building a ski resort on it.
post #59 of 78
Well, it's not LCC, but is Pow Mow any steeper than Stowe? Never been (wanna go!).
post #60 of 78
OK while we're on the subject i've heard of Magic Hat my favorite is prolly #9 but what is this Magic Underpants???? Same as Magic Hat but tastes like P!$$??
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