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Slaloms for race camp and racing

post #1 of 11
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I am due to attend a summer race camp and will be participating in some recreational slalom and GS racing (for which I wil use my Head Supershape speeds).

I am 165lb level 8 on anything but powder and at the moment use a pair of 165cm Salomon 3v race's and the Heads as my all mountain skis but would find the 3Vs little on the soft side for running gates

I am looking to purchase a slalom for that side of the camp and at the moment have a choice of the Head Worldcup isl RD or Elan SLX Race Fusion Pro both in 160cm or the Fischer RC4 WC SC/SL.

I am not a big fan of loads of pop from my skis tending to prefer smoothness and quickness edge to edge.

Demoing is an alien concept to shops over here so would appreciate any advice or feedback.

Many Thanks
post #2 of 11
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Originally Posted by slushpuppy View Post
I am due to attend a summer race camp and will be participating in some recreational slalom and GS racing (for which I wil use my Head Supershape speeds).

I am 165lb level 8 on anything but powder and at the moment use a pair of 165cm Salomon 3v race's and the Heads as my all mountain skis but would find the 3Vs little on the soft side for running gates

I am looking to purchase a slalom for that side of the camp and at the moment have a choice of the Head Worldcup isl RD or Elan SLX Race Fusion Pro both in 160cm or the Fischer RC4 WC SC/SL.

I am not a big fan of loads of pop from my skis tending to prefer smoothness and quickness edge to edge.

Demoing is an alien concept to shops over here so would appreciate any advice or feedback.

Many Thanks
I love my pair. I'm headed (heh, heh) out to ski them this morning.

If you really like the "feel" of your SS Speeds, it wouldn't be very much of an adjustment to go with the iSl RD's.

The others are great skis too. I doubt that you could go wrong with any of those choices.
post #3 of 11
Interested in a secondhand pair of Atomic SL12 in 165?
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks Bob do you free ski on them ? what length are you on? I thought they would be a bit on the stiff side for anything outside of the gates though it would be nice to have a little versatility.

I really do like the SS Speeds and also my now exhausted pair of World cup Sl Ti's from back around 2000-01, I believe you also skied a pair of these. I expect the RDs are a more demanding ski but if they free ski like the Ti's then that would be a bonus.

I envy your skiing today we are all closed up with 60-70 mph winds, though not as bad as last week when it was gusting to 120 or so.

Thanks
Paul
post #5 of 11
Where are you going to camp? Most summer mountains have TONS of demo shops (doesnt matter where you are). At Hood they have atleast 5 or 6, and demos are free.
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by slushpuppy View Post
Thanks Bob do you free ski on them ? what length are you on? I thought they would be a bit on the stiff side for anything outside of the gates though it would be nice to have a little versatility.

I really do like the SS Speeds and also my now exhausted pair of World cup Sl Ti's from back around 2000-01, I believe you also skied a pair of these. I expect the RDs are a more demanding ski but if they free ski like the Ti's then that would be a bonus.

I envy your skiing today we are all closed up with 60-70 mph winds, though not as bad as last week when it was gusting to 120 or so.

Thanks
Paul
Hey, Paul.

165cm.

Yes, I do free ski on them occasionally. Yesterday, in fact, I skied them through the afternoon in a howling snowstorm. I was in a race in the morning and it was more trouble than it was worth to go down and swap skis before free-skiing in the afternoon. We were skiing up to about 10" of powder and crud. They are *not* a forgiving ski for that kind of stuff, but I had a great time.

They want to be skied exactly in the middle of the ski in those conditions (a significant challenge for me at times), but when I did they were pretty fun.

The thing about them is that they are quite stiff compared to more "civilian" skis and you need some pressure to bend them into the turns. When I *did* that, they were a riot. I actually believe they make me a better skier when I ski them in junky snow rather than just on groomers. The fore/aft balance issues that are introduced by crud really help me understand when I'm "on" them versus when I'm not.

I don't think they ski similarly to the Ti SL's at all. This is a MUCH more specialized ski than the old Ti. I felt the Ti was a high performance ski but was a lot more forgiving for general skiing. This one (the WC SL RD) requires a lot more attention.

Have fun if you get a pair.
post #7 of 11
Skied my Head SL RDs with Liquidmetal for the first time yesterday....scalpel should be its nick name.
post #8 of 11

Slaloms

Hey slushpuppy,
I have a pair of 05/06 race stock Fischer slaloms (listed 166, but are 161's and come with slalom toe nails to make them FIS legal at 165 cm). They are in race ready condition, with a brand new race grind. They are actually a pair of Tommy Ford's skis (National Development team) that he never used. Got them at Mt. Hood, when we training there. I have skied them very little, because I tore my MCL this season. I'll sell them with Tyrolia FF-17 bindings for $350.00. Interested? BTW, I'll also throw in some rounded tips, to be able to swap with the toenails, if you'd like. PM me or email gsmith721@yahoo.com:
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys it is going to be between the Heads and Fischers depending on what deals I can find.

I am in the Uk and the camp is going to be in France so not much chance of demoing though I would be able to hire, but as I want them for the rest of the season here, usually around another 7-8 weeks I am going to buy soon.

Thanks for the offer rmmaster but being in Europe its easier to buy over here.

Am of to trawl through ebay to see what I can find
post #10 of 11
Having owned and used both the 05 Head RD (166) and the 06 Fischer WC Sl (166 marked but actually 161 with toenails) I have found the Fischer to work better for me (165#, 5'8", Masters racer) in gates. The Head was an absolute blast free skiing but i just found it to too heavy/stiff for me when racing. That Vist plate is pretty powerful and I just am not fit/young enough to get the full benefit of it. I find the Fischer is snappier/quicker for me.

Disclaimer - I suck at slalom!,,, and I am certainly not in the same league as Bob

However as has been said, both are great skis, just different and you can't go too far wrong with either
...... and both are light years ahead of teh 203s I used to race slalom with at Cairngorm
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hey Scotskier thanks for that, looks like the Fischers are more readily available and cheaper so may go that way.

Cairngorm to Lake Tahoe I am turning green wth envy whats your secret, the M1 is mostly granite and heather at the moment with the gunbarrel the steapest slope available. Can't wait to get to the Alps
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