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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
This seller has taken the SKi Press review of the Head Worldcup RS119 and changed it to say Cyber worldcup Ti. He also cut the word sandwich out of the review, probably because the Worldcup Ti is a cap ski rather than a sandwich (laminate) ski. He's sold almost 4000 items on E-bay, with little regard for accurate descriptions of his products and occasionally fraudulent quotes.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3636196670
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3637279105&category=16 062


PS I just found another one. In this auction of a Volkl P50 RC, he quotes the SKI magazine review of the Volkl P50 Motion.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3637352618&category=26 350
post #2 of 23
The hype on E-bay is unreal. I wish they had a "red flag" feature to challenge those BS artists and alert consumers. Heck, most shops won't even service half of the bindings anymore and don't even get me going on "race stock"....
post #3 of 23
HEHEHAHA...ever notice how many skis WERE THE ACTUAL BONA FIDE
skiis that..so and so..champions,ski teams(NATIONAL),etc.,etc.,skiied on..
post #4 of 23
I don't know what's happened lately. Maybe he's gotten too big for his britches and just getting sloppy, or maybe it is intentional. But I actually bought a pair of skis from that same guy 2 yrs. ago.

They were a brand new pair of Atomic Betarace 9.16 skis, brand new in the shrink wrap. They were the current year's model and I got them as advertised for a ridiculous price of ~ $230! They came fast, were 100% perfect, and there was no hype involved back then. That was probably one of the best deals I've ever gotten.

There's no doubt you've got to read these ads carefully, but most of these big sellers are completely legit as you can tell by their feedback. Most of these guys also stand by their money back guarantee, so IMHO there's really little to complain about. Unfortunately, most bidders know these guys are trustworthy and hence, you'll usually pay more from them unless you get lucky and catch everybody sleeping like I did.
post #5 of 23
We all know the saying:

"Buyer Beware!"

I think this sums up the ebay experience-you should realize what you are getting, and know your product before purchasing an item. Otherwise, go to your ski shop, and they can give you the service that you need. I personally prefer listings that give an actual (not plagerized) discription of the ski-it shows that the seller acutally knows something about (or possibly has even used) the product. A cut and paste description from a review or company website doesn't help me at all. If only someone had the old RS119's for sale on Ebay-I would pick up more than 1 pair!
post #6 of 23
I've been watching that guy's skis thinking of picking up a pair of World Cup Ti's for the days it gets 'icy' around here (i.e. what the Eastern resorts refer to as packed powder). The guy's hype is a little overboard but you can't beat getting a top quality GS ski from a couple years back for $100. I really don't mind his hype since I've heard worse from ski shop personnel selling skis for a lot more money.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Rio
Heres the deal. The Head world cup Ti is generally acknowledged as a beasty old school style GS ski. Heads newer GS (RS119 and descendents) ski are sweet easy to ski, just like the review says. This guy is using the review from a modern GS ski to sell a old school GS ski. Different sidecut, different Construction (cap versus race room laminate) and different design length.
post #8 of 23
In response to previous posts about fraud:


I have reviewed my auction that was posted by "NordtheBarbarian" and have indeed found his statements true and accurate and have revised my auction posting which can now be seen here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16062&item=3638065 262

In the case of the Volkl P50 RC auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3637352618&category=26 350

These skis were purchased by me directly from Volkl in Germany this spring. By looking at the photos, it is clearly seen that these skis are indeed mounted with Volkl Motion bindings. This is exaclty identical in construction in every single way to the US Volkl Motion ski however these only have an altered cosmetic top sheet for the European ski market. This review is completely accurate for this ski.

Please feel free to contact me anythime with questions or concerns about my business ethics and any auction information.

kvett@xmission.com

Every once in awhile I get a loyal customer emailing me with a heads-up about a mistake. I quicky remedy the situation and gratefully acknowlege their kindness to me and all other buyers.

I have been a proud member of eBay for over four years now and I continually strive to meet the highest standards possible. Having grown up in Park City, Utah, I have surrounded myself in the world of skiing since I was old enough to stand. I feel that my experience in the ski industry is extensive and could very easily write my own clever ads. My decision to quote credible industry reviews to support the skis I sell is an ideal decision for many reasons. First and foremost, I am in the retail business, and do not spend many days on the slopes testing ski after ski; I am in my office answering emails and the needs of my customers. Secondly, as a consumer, I would prefer to get a more detailed and accurate review from a professional ski reviewer than some dude who loves to ski... and sell- which would clearly be a conflict of interest. I freely encourage eBay buyers to review and research each ski independently in order to ensure the information is indeed 100% accurate.

Thanks,

KC
Kvett-Sports
post #9 of 23
Well - having seen KC's auctions and even corresponded with him - I'd have to say he's been a big boy and answered his detractors comments in a forthright and honest manner.

And in this corner . . . .

Welcome to EpicSki KC. Maybe you would consider becoming a sponsor of this site.

IG
post #10 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
Well - having seen KC's auctions and even corresponded with him - I'd have to say he's been a big boy and answered his detractors comments in a forthright and honest manner.
IG
Yeah, I figured I'd give him a heads up to give him a chance to clear it up to see if he was as honest as I thought in my past dealings with him. If he didn't then the "fraud?" allegation would have been a fair label.

I've sold a few things on eBay and found it to be a major pain in the butt uploading photos and making up accurate ads. I'm sure that guys who sell a lot are going to make an honest blunder now and then. And I have also found a number of complete scams there as well.

eBay can be a great place to buy gear, (Cupolo Sports for example) but you definitely have to do your homework.
post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
KC

The Volkl P50 RC and the P50 Motion are not the same skis with different topsheets. Do your homework.
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
KC

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3637899702&category=26 350

You are using the review for the Volkl P50 motion in the auction description for the a Volkl P50 SC (slalom ski)? The same description you use in the Volkl P50 RC auction. Do you think those are the same ski except for the paint job also?

Quote from auction listing below. Notice how he says the skis has a radical sidecut, then the review says it's a " ...ripping GS ski...".

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++

'03 Volkl P-50 SC RACING skis, bndgs 150 cm

Description
Here is a very rare breed of the 2003 Volkl P50 motion line. This "Racing" specific model may never be seen again in this world. This SC Racing ski has a unique and more radical sidecut than any other P50 model from Volkl. If you need a motion binding and demand slalom performance, these are for you. I have only 2 pair of these and doubt that I'd ever see another in my life. I have these on a 3 day auction so act quickly!

# D-438



Length: 150 cm

For help with sizing CLICK HERE.

Tip, waist, tail measurements in millimeters: 111-63-99

Condition:

Topsheets: The top sheet condition of these skis displays some cosmetic imperfections typical of about 30-40 days on the mountain. Though the scratches and chips might not look as though they spent all day at the lodge, keep in mind that this superficial chafing in no way compromises the skis’ basic construction.

Bases: Bases have been freshly tuned. Entirely free of major damage or repairs, the bases show only minor, superficial scratching. They've been waxed, sharpened, and p-texed right into next week!

Edges: Edges are sharp and undamaged with no cracks, bends, or dents of any kind. Edges are in great shape and are ready for action!

They will always slide a bit better with a fresh wax to match existing snow conditions

Bindings are: Marker Motion 1200

These bindings are mounted on demo tracks and can be adjusted to fit any boot size 6-13 without the need of costly remounting. I absolutely recommend these bindings be adjusted and fitted to your boots by a local certified ski technician.

DIN range: 3-12

Retail Price: $ 1050.00

Since there is no review to ever be found on these, here is the next closest thing I can find. This is the standard p50 SC review.

Here Ski Magazine's 2003 gold medal review;

"Some might ask, "What's in a name?" In this case, we have to ask, "What's not?" In easily the longest model designation in ski history, you also get a sense of this high-speed cruising ski's multiple benefits. For one thing, there is plenty of race in this "Racing" ski: It's No. 1 in Long Turns and No. 2 in Stability at Speed. "Great snap and control," says Lewis. "This is a fat-free, ripping GS ski for the all-mountain speedster." And with its integrated rails and free-flexing binding the P50 hugs the snow. "It stays in the arc incredibly well," says Brown," and releases with a ton of power." In fact, the wood-core, titanium-reinforced P50 even finishes at No. 4 in Rebound Energy. ""You get it all," says Delliquadri. "It's easy, stable and fast."
post #13 of 23
Hi,

After once again checking "nordthebarbarian"s post once again I have found that my auction was indeed in need of editing. Please view here for my updated review of the Volkl P 50 RC skis.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3638978666&category=26 350

Again, I am always open for suggestions and comments. Please do not hesitiate ask.

Thanks again,

KC
post #14 of 23
How can you not appreciate a guy who sells items like this -- Most Expensive Skis Ever Made
post #15 of 23
Hot damn Rio!! Those WALLYS are one sweeet pair of boards! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

I expect to see some of you bears bidding on those trophys.
Kvett Rules! :
post #16 of 23
I think after this posting, that Kvett Sport's customer base has just been expanded by over 5000 members (or however many have read this post). Any publicity is good publicity, even if it starts out with a 'fraud' topic. I went and had a look, with no reserve there must be some bargains to be had.
post #17 of 23
Kvett Sports seems to have stepped up. To bad Nord decided to publically accuse the guys of out-n-out fraud without making a gentleman's effort to contact Kvett privately to correct the discrepency.

As Spicolli would say - and Kvett is probably saying about Nord, "What a D....!!!"
post #18 of 23
Well, it takes a big man to respond to a hotheaded and extremely ill-advised allegation like that politely and to the point. Kudos.
post #19 of 23
Well, there's no question that aint right! But can't you send em back.
post #20 of 23
Yo, Nord it appears that you have made a discovery - good job. What the hell kind of a dog is that?
post #21 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by Carvemeister:
Hot damn Rio!! Those WALLYS are one sweeet pair of boards! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

I expect to see some of you bears bidding on those trophys.
Kvett Rules! :
Considering molds run 10K and once you are producing skis, the cost per pair can vary from $10 in China to $100 in Italy to $200 in the US or Canada, (although Goode says their all-carbon ski costs a bit more than that to make)I don't see anything about those skis that makes them special beyond a fool who needs bragging rights about how much money he can blow on a pair of boards. There's plenty of carbon fiber wraps out there. And plenty of good skis.
post #22 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by Sluff Vertigo:
Considering molds run 10K and once you are producing skis, the cost per pair can vary from $10 in China to $100 in Italy to $200 in the US or Canada, (although Goode says their all-carbon ski costs a bit more than that to make)I don't see anything about those skis that makes them special beyond a fool who needs bragging rights about how much money he can blow on a pair of boards. There's plenty of carbon fiber wraps out there. And plenty of good skis.[/QB]
True. I would certainly never pay the ridiculous price for a new pair of Wally's. It doesn't even pay to buy a pair of new model skis from any manufacturer when you can buy them next year for a whole lot less.

But considering those Wally's will probably end up selling for less than $300, I'd say that that would be a pretty nice deal.
post #23 of 23
I'd check with Leo Lacroix for his price before I made any statement about being the most expensive.

Those all wood skis with the copper tips look pricey$$$. :

Those Wally's look almost like a pair of skis in my garage, only they sure ain't Wally's (they are mine an' I still got the reciept) ...... I suspect they were made in Switzerland.

[ November 24, 2003, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: yuki ]
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