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Are skiers Superstar athletes?

post #1 of 43
Thread Starter 
Don't know but last year Hermann Maier won the "Superstars" competition (Alberto Tomba in third), and this year Bode Miller and Jonny Moseley made up the top two finishers. (To find out who finished where, you'll have to watch the CBS shows the first weekend of May (to be re-run in June).)
Athletes choose 7 events (of 10 possible) in which to compete. Those events are: swimming, weightlifting, kayaking, Sea-Doo racing, bicycling, basketball shoot-out, half-mile run, 100-yard dash, climbing wall, and the obstacle course.

[ April 23, 2002, 08:54 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #2 of 43
Is it just skiers on the program, or does it include athletes from lots of different sports?
post #3 of 43
I remember years ago Killy, Kashiwa and I think Kidd all did very well in simialr competitions. What other sport requires power, stregnth and fine muscle control on such an irregulare, slippery surface?
post #4 of 43
Thread Starter 
Rock,

from other sports as well. I count 6 or so NFL players, a professional boxer, and Apolo Ohno (speed skater) and Jim Shay(skeleton) from the past Winter Games.
post #5 of 43
Agree with SLATZ - power, finesse, balance, strength, good aerobic, the list goes on. I would like to see a triathlete, a rower, a top level aerobics instructor and a few others in there as well.

p.s. and John Daly as well .
post #6 of 43
confirming what we already knew! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #7 of 43
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Originally posted by TheRockSkier:
Agree with SLATZ - power, finesse, balance, strength, good aerobic, the list goes on. I would like to see a triathlete, a rower, a top level aerobics instructor and a few others in there as well.
Why thank you, sir!
post #8 of 43
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post #9 of 43
Any golfer in the comp. woulda dominated.
What would you expect from a participant in the world's most exciting sport?
post #10 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by TheRockSkier:
Agree with SLATZ - power, finesse, balance, strength, good aerobic, the list goes on. I would like to see a triathlete, a rower, a top level aerobics instructor and a few others in there as well.
As a former swimmer I've got to put in a plug for them, too. You get in pretty good shape swimming more than 50k per week!
post #11 of 43
My stepdaughter is an Olympic medalist in rowing. She's in great shape and strong but an all around athlete she's not.
Her greatest strength is her incredible mental toughness. Something she displayed as a 13 year old and I have always admired.

[ April 24, 2002, 07:35 AM: Message edited by: SLATZ ]
post #12 of 43
Interesting. I always thought gymnastics was the most raw and physically demanding sport, especially among the non-team sports. Probably not a lot of endurance there though.
post #13 of 43
Yeh a gymnast would be interesting, provided it isn't a 4ft, 100lb, 10 year old who would collapse emotionally when the going got tough.

Yeh SkiKing a swimmer would do well, and I think a professional dancer (easy guys, I meant a ballet or other, not the lap variety) would do ok too.

I think cyclists would flounder, as their strengths are too narrow.
post #14 of 43
Excellent point on the ballet dancer. I saw Varishnikov on telvision once with some "studio" dancers. It was amazing the power and fluidity the guy had compared to the others.
I wonder if they would ever consider having one on?
Skiing is like ballet dancing on a infinetly variable surface.
post #15 of 43
I seem to recall a competition like this years ago, it may even be the same one.

It was won two or three years in a row by a "no name" soocer player, from Vancouver, I believe. Seems the sponsors got ticked off about this guy that no one had heard of, winning all the time against the "stars". And he was winning quite handily, too.

I think they either cancelled the show, or banned the guy, can't remember for sure.
post #16 of 43
Thread Starter 
yes, i can imagine the suits and bean-counters at CBS (in this case) imagining an american audience sitting on their couches, chips and soda not far away, wondering "uh...who's bode miller?" (was kinda hard to not at least catch moseley's name post-nagano.) the suits and bean-counters tend to not like that so much.
by the way, i've been on the road with some tough cyclists; i know a few that'd do quite well, thank you, in such a competition. the tour-type riders are specialized, yes, and have, for example, negligible upper- body strength; but have you seen the speed event cyclists?. some of them are monsters and well-rounded athletes.

EDIT: on second thought, bode DID significantly increase his Q-ratio with the salt lake performances but he's still MUCH more well-known in austria than he is here. (heck, so's tom rothrock, for that matter.)

[ April 24, 2002, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #17 of 43
I think cyclists would flounder, as their strengths are too narrow.

that sounds like the thought of someone who hasn't spent much time riding.

I think top skiers usually are good athletes, but that doesn't mean that other sports' top athletes aren't equivalent.

the selection of competitors and their performance in Superstars is more a function of notoriety than of pure all-round athleticism.

I've known quite a few great skiers who otherwise were horrible athletes.
post #18 of 43
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absolutely. (and neither did i intend to downgrade the athleticism of the tour-type riders. to say they're phenomenal is an understatement.) i can't think of any event i'd like to do LESS than something like the tour. their physical condition is at the top of the chain but what stands out about these folks, for me, is the mindset to grind through fatigue and pain the likes of which the vast majority of us cannot fathom.
post #19 of 43
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Originally posted by Philth:
Any golfer in the comp. woulda dominated.
What would you expect from a participant in the world's most exciting sport?
You forgot Winston Cup race car drivers.
post #20 of 43
How about top end mountain bikers? How about Hans Rey, or another top trials rider? These guys have all the power, finesse, balance in the world. Although they may lack some endurance if they don't compete in races.
post #21 of 43
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Originally posted by GeoffD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Philth:
Any golfer in the comp. woulda dominated.
What would you expect from a participant in the world's most exciting sport?
You forgot Winston Cup race car drivers.</font>[/quote]You forgot about Billiards and Bowling.
post #22 of 43
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i don't think that things done between beer swigs count.
post #23 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by ryan:
i don't think that things done between beer swigs count.
Ryan,
Please don't say that, cause that rules out skiing and sex for some of us...

S
post #24 of 43
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Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ryan:
i don't think that things done between beer swigs count.
Ryan,
Please don't say that, cause that rules out skiing and sex for some of us...

S
</font>[/quote]if that's the case, you're obviously not trying hard enough. as i always say - if there's a will, there's a way.
post #25 of 43
a couple of observations .... Lance!

one of the events was Sea Doo racing ... I suppose it might be a test of agility but I suspect it's works better as a testosterone level check ...

Don't knock the gymnasatics thing. Serious gymnastices competitors have a focus, toughness and level of determination that is admirable. The deal there is of course strength to weight ratio and explosiveness. Not to mention grace and agility.

I wish I could remember the guy's name, but isn't there a close to 40 year old who has been dominant in the Ironman comps the last few years. I really don't think you'd see Bode hangin in that crowd, or the pre-wreck Hermanator either ...

Lance! (enough said). Maybe Pete Sampras in his prime. I know, I know tenis ? Some of those summer grand slam drag outs, middle of the day, middle of July ... looks like a lot of work to me!

Did I mention Lance. I don't know about all around abilities but damn!

You know, as far as skiing goes. The longer you do it, the easier it gets. You learn 'where to be, when to be' and let gravity and leverage do the rest. When it's working right for me, it's effortless.

Cycling in general ... when I lived in the mid-west I rode 50 miles in a little under three hours. Usually a group of three or more. A nice social little work out. Living in the Gorge means a triple crank and it's two miles constant climb to get to the first coast riding from home now. This is a way different game altogether!

Lance!
post #26 of 43
Thread Starter 
well, it's not so much which sport has the better athletes ( i'm not sure you could objectively decide that) nor do superstars comps actually say much in this regard, either. generally, at the top levels you ARE talking about specialization. can hermann swim a couple miles, bike a century-plus, then run a marathon? prob'ly not. could he train to do so? sure. can today's best triathletes get on a DH course and survive? well, it'd be great tv with a high carnage-quotient.
to answer my own question (rhetorical to begin with), i doubt any world cup-level skiers are NOT superb athletes, all with their own particular strengths and weaknesses. and, especially with skiing, at least at that level, it is not the activity itself that leads to well-rounded athleticism/fitness, it is the training they must do before they even set foot in the start house.
when i did triathlons (NOT ironman, or even close to that), there were tremendous athletes, most of whom had come from other sports. some, however, were NOT what i would call great all-around athletes - their principle strength was endurance(slow twitch capacity). but THAT is what was required. they'd found their athletic niche. and with me watching their backs as they disappeared ahead, i was impressed.
post #27 of 43
The very first Superstars competition ( I believe sometime in the early 70's) was won quite handily by Kyle Rote Jr. He was a professional soccer player and son of former N.Y. Giant Kyle Rote. It blew everybody away at the time.
post #28 of 43
Guys, I feel the need to justify my "cyclists would flounder" comment.

I have spent the last 20 years riding road (when I am not skiing). Great cross-over sport, awesome buzz, love it only a little less than skiing.

I didn't mean to belittle cyclists, I agree with others that Tour cyclists are the toughest athletes in the world, I admire them and am amazed and astounded by what they endure and can achieve.

I made the comment keeping in mind a multi event show, and these usually combine a lot of running based events. I saw a similar show in NZ a few years ago that had two top NZ cyclists, Graeme Miller and Brian Fowler, both seriously fit and tough guys. Up against rugby players, rowers, aerobics instructors etc they didn't do well as they were totally unsuited to anything that involved running (I believe this is because cycling shortens the hammies, amongst other reasons?), and with cross-country assault courses and 'the 400 metres with barrel on back' they didn't go at all well.

It depends on the type of course of course -haha.

I am reading Lance's book 'It's not about the bike' at the moment, and have no doubt he would go well, but he is truly exceptional, and was a top triathlete, so would have a lot of running skill/strength.

In summary, I will reword my statement: "Cyclists would have a bit of trouble because as athletes they are not as diverse as many athletes from other sports".



[ April 25, 2002, 03:59 AM: Message edited by: TheRockSkier ]
post #29 of 43
Ah the beauty of subjectiveness.
post #30 of 43
I also think that Pete Sampras and other top tennis players would fare well. Mostly because they seem to use the same type of training regimins that top skiers use, and they have full time personal strength and agility coaches. Tennis players also have the advantage that their sport is a bit more upper body (or whole body) oriented than skiing. They are also a bit more suited to endurance, since they go for hours at a time, every day for a couple of weeks, during the big tournaments.
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