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Any hope for slightly bent skis?

post #1 of 25
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Unfortunately I have bent my pair of Fischer Watea 94's. They are bent so that when the skis are held together the shovels near the tips are about are about 1 inch apart instead of touching each other like they used to.

The techs I have spoken to acted as though nothing could be done, but I am hoping that isn't true. The bases and edges are in great shape, and the skis certainly aren't ruined.

Has anyone got an idea if anything can be done?

thanks
post #2 of 25
It just so happens that last week while inspecting my gear and retuning after Presidents Day weekend, to my astonishment, old faithful, my all mountain carvers, were severly bent. I do not have a clue as to how it happened, I did not fall, I do not jump with them, no park use, and they were not dropped in any way, my only guess is that when I wedged them into te back of my SUV the door may have closed on them and caused the damage. I would like to think that I carve with such awesome force that I actually bent the skis.....not likely; however, I was using my new race boots, hmmm.

At first my thought was thats it they are officially dead....but then, with nothing to lose I flipped them over and stood on one end and pulled on them until I was was able to bend them back to original shape. I dont know if it will hold, but for now they are back to full camber.
post #3 of 25
What should be done is that you take the skis to a dealer and have the dealer ship them back to Fischer, even if you have to pay for the shipping. First clean up the skis and maybe put a light hot wax on the bases, just for cosmetics. Hopefully, Fischer will send you a replacement pair. I'm thinking they will never perform like new ones again because the materials in the ski have been stressed beyond their limits and are now permanently fatigued.

Factors in your favour is that this is a new model ski, and they are in good condition. You should also include a letter with a copy of your purchase receipt setting out the amount of usage the skis have been subjected to and the fact that you have never abused them doing any crazy jumps off cliffs, etc. If you can say that you are just an intermediate skier doing groomed runs, etc. (or that they were only used by your grandmother on Sundays after church, ha-ha-ha!), so much the better!

Good luck! You will probably need some!
post #4 of 25
If they are within the warranty period, absolutely send them back. If out of warranty, carefully rebend them. You have nothing to loose at this point and usually they can be made serviceable again. Believe it or not, some major ski companys now mold skis flat, no camber, no tip bend, and then bend them into shape! Sounds strange to me, too.
post #5 of 25
A bent ski is NOT a warranty issue. Sorry.

There is a chance that Fischer will replace them if you send them back. They may also send a 'match' to replace the bent ski. Hint: OFFER to pay shipping + remount to the shop that helps you, they're doing you a FAVOR. If Fischer replaces them it will be because they want the shop to be happy and buy more Fischer skis. Hope everything works out for you.
post #6 of 25

How?

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Originally Posted by LSUskier View Post
Unfortunately I have bent my pair of Fischer Watea 94's. They are bent so that when the skis are held together the shovels near the tips are about are about 1 inch apart instead of touching each other like they used to.

The techs I have spoken to acted as though nothing could be done, but I am hoping that isn't true. The bases and edges are in great shape, and the skis certainly aren't ruined.

Has anyone got an idea if anything can be done?

thanks


How did you bend them? Would you consider it abuse?
post #7 of 25
Agree with Whiteroom's reply. I've bent two skis and had them both matched by the manufacturer. Cost $50 each plus a six pack to the ski shop that recomended sending them back. Certainly a better choice than buying a new pair. The only tricky part was finding the right person to speak to at the manufacturer.
post #8 of 25
ski them they will ski powder better that way.
post #9 of 25
^ that. Bend the other one to match and enjoy.
post #10 of 25

Bendback

Years ago (80s), I made up a jig in my workshop for bending ski's back, all that you need is two pieces of heavy metal bar welded about i/2 inch apart to a flat metal base, lock the bars into a strong vice - heat the ski (over the top sheet, not the base) around the bent area insert the ski between the bars and gradually work the bend out. You may not get it absolutley perfect but should be able to get it close enough.
post #11 of 25
The best way that I have found to bend a ski back (and I have fixed a few...) is to use an open stairway, such as basement stairs. Stick the tip down between the stairs and place the bent spot right on the edge of the next stair up. Go a little at a time, checking the shape against the other one often.

In my experience, you shouldn't use heat. The titanium alloy that ski companies use is a memory metal similar to "nitinol" the properties of the metal change when it gets heated up. That's why a ski decambers so much when hotwaxing.

All the warranty advice is correct. The shop is your friend. They can help you more than anyone. Fischer's warranty dept. may even ask the shop what they want Fischer to do, so it will help a ton if you are a good, loyal customer. That goes a long way.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
The best way that I have found to bend a ski back (and I have fixed a few...) is to use an open stairway, such as basement stairs.
I find the purpose built bending jigs to work pretty well. I'm sure someone builds one commercially, but it doesn't take much imagination to build your own. It does need to be fairly stout and located on a stout workbench.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by Cabinfever View Post
Cost $50 each plus a six pack to the ski shop that recomended sending them back.
Get with it man... 12 PACK!! And make it good beer. I recommend Elsinore! Hoser...
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
I find the purpose built bending jigs to work pretty well. I'm sure someone builds one commercially, but it doesn't take much imagination to build your own. It does need to be fairly stout and located on a stout workbench.
Or.... if you don't happen to have a purpose built bending jig on hand, or you don't have the inclination to build one for this particular set of skis, the stairs work equally well.

I've used both, and yes, the bending jig does work well too.
post #15 of 25
Another option: When the OP brings the ski back to try and get some courtesy service from the manufacturer, the well equipped shop should be kind enough to fix a bend if the courtesy/cheap replacement isn't forthcoming.
post #16 of 25

Bent Fischer Atua- Dealer response

An: verkauf
Betreff: RE: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #200068113196- ski BENT
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Got the bindings mounted about 2 weeks ago and took the skis in to be tuned for the first time yesterday (after about 7 days of skiing powder and a bit of moguls on piste). Tech noticed that one of the skis was bent. Not sure when/how/why it happened, but this is the first time in 30 years of skiing that I have had this problem. I have not used the ski in the terrain park, big air, cliffs or anything extreme. Tech said that most of the manufacturers would replaced under warranty.

Please advise...


Response from ski-bilek:


If you want we can sent your ski to Fischer for further investigation.

Please sent the ski (without binding) to us and we will forward the ski to Fischer for further investigation.
Please include in the package a copy of the invoice, a copy of that e-mail and a description how it happened.
If Fischer accept your claim as a material problem, they will exchange your ski.

You have to carry the shipping cost to us and back to you, we will take over the cost from us to Fischer an back.
If Fischer will not accept your claim, we have to charge you our shipping cost and an handling fee of Euro 20,00.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Ski & Bike-Bilek Team



I am thinking that I would prefer to send directly to Fischer...would also like to know what Fischer's policy is on replacement before deciding if it is worth sending.

Thoughts?
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
An: verkauf
Betreff: RE: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #200068113196- ski BENT
...
Got the bindings mounted about 2 weeks ago and took the skis in to be tuned for the first time yesterday (after about 7 days of skiing powder and a bit of moguls on piste). Tech noticed that one of the skis was bent. Not sure when/how/why it happened, but this is the first time in 30 years of skiing that I have had this problem. I have not used the ski in the terrain park, big air, cliffs or anything extreme. Tech said that most of the manufacturers would replaced under warranty.

Please advise...


Response from ski-bilek:


If you want we can sent your ski to Fischer for further investigation.

Please sent the ski (without binding) to us and we will forward the ski to Fischer for further investigation.
Please include in the package a copy of the invoice, a copy of that e-mail and a description how it happened.
If Fischer accept your claim as a material problem, they will exchange your ski.

You have to carry the shipping cost to us and back to you, we will take over the cost from us to Fischer an back.
If Fischer will not accept your claim, we have to charge you our shipping cost and an handling fee of Euro 20,00.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Ski & Bike-Bilek Team



I am thinking that I would prefer to send directly to Fischer...would also like to know what Fischer's policy is on replacement before deciding if it is worth sending.

Thoughts?
Could there be something about bilek selling items with manufactor flaws and thus being so cheap? My Fischers look like they are bent as well. When I put the breaks into eachother the edges aren't parallel. Could these be bent as well or is it just the brakes which are bent?
post #18 of 25
Grook, I can't say about the skis, but definitely don't make any conclusions with the brakes interlocked or deployed. You should stow the brakes (ie, wire/tape them down) and put the skis base down on a flat surface. Then see how they look.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
I am thinking that I would prefer to send directly to Fischer...would also like to know what Fischer's policy is on replacement before deciding if it is worth sending.

Thoughts?


Will Fischer let you do that? I know when I tried to make a claim with Elan a few years back, they required me to go through a dealer. Elan didn't want to issue a return authorization until the dealer had given an assessment. I guess you ought to call Fischer and ask them.
post #20 of 25

Brakes & Ski Bilek being cheap

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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Could there be something about bilek selling items with manufactor flaws and thus being so cheap? My Fischers look like they are bent as well. When I put the breaks into eachother the edges aren't parallel. Could these be bent as well or is it just the brakes which are bent?
I agree that Ski Bilek is cheap with very suspect customer service. When I bought the skis online, there was no mention of a 4% paypal surcharge for foreigners until I went to pay. (This was not a currency exchange issue either). They were also not very good answering emails and took a long time to acknowledge that they forgot to send the bindings when they originally shipped the skis that I bought with bindings included.

FWIW, As far as the brakes go, the tech at Intersport who mounted the bindings off center & crooked, said that Fischer brakes were cheap. However, my regular shop (who did not have a wide jig) said that the brakes had been bent by Intersport because of the mismount mount.
post #21 of 25

Direct Shipping to Fischer

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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
Will Fischer let you do that? I know when I tried to make a claim with Elan a few years back, they required me to go through a dealer. Elan didn't want to issue a return authorization until the dealer had given an assessment. I guess you ought to call Fischer and ask them.
Unfortunately, I do not think Fischer will let me send it directly to them as their website talks about going through a dealer. I think it is pretty unfair that I have to pay to ship to ski-bilek and back and then will have to ship to Fischer and back (plus 20 euro) if Fischer decides it is not a warranty issue...seems like it would be fairer to have a stated warranty policy regarding bent skis and then to allow direct shipping to Fischer. While I understand the need for a dealer assement in some circumstances, there is really no additional info that could be learned by looking at the skis other than confirming one has a mini rocker and the other doesn't.

At least with Dynastar, when I received a new ski with a base flaw, after not responding for a week or two to my email, they provided the names of 3 local dealers (I have been living at one of the largest ski resorts in the world) that I could take the skis into who would pay to ship to Dynastar.

I sent a similar email to Fischer, but still haven't heard anything back...
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
...seems like it would be fairer to have a stated warranty policy regarding bent skis and then to allow direct shipping to Fischer.
Almost universally, manufacturers have a stated policy that bent skis are the result of abuse and hence not covered. Many of the more reputable ones also have a "hidden policy" that they will try to make good on a ski that does not appear to be overskied and abused, particularly if it appears to be from a good customer, i.e. shop "good word".
post #23 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Stick the tip down between the stairs and place the bent spot right on the edge of the next stair up. Go a little at a time, checking the shape against the other one often.

I have used this same method a few times, but usually to make sure a ski was replaced under warranty. Or was that just to get a newer model? ......in my youthful days.


....wrap in a towel to prevent stair marks.
post #24 of 25
A friend of mine bent a race ski after hitting a rock off-piste. Fischer replaced the bent ski with another one (in very rough shape though) so keep your hopes up.

And ski manufacturers REALLY need to have a shop asses the ski or they would get all sorts of ridiculous claims from customers (the ski doesn't ski well, the edges aren't shrap, the base has scratches, etc.).
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by BillyRay View Post
A friend of mine bent a race ski after hitting a rock off-piste. Fischer replaced the bent ski with another one (in very rough shape though) so keep your hopes up.

And ski manufacturers REALLY need to have a shop asses the ski or they would get all sorts of ridiculous claims from customers (the ski doesn't ski well, the edges aren't shrap, the base has scratches, etc.).
HURRAY BUREAUCRACY !
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