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post #31 of 34
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Deference is earned, not given.
He has frequently demonstrated his geekness in this regard. Like I said, I enjoy arguing with him about lots of stuff - but with something as empirical as waist size and calipers -- if he says it, I'd just go with it... As for cores - that's been done good and bad. But done it is. A great example of a fine job is the Aura. Although in the context of this discussion it is worth noting they still use the old shape...
post #32 of 34
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As a result, woman cannot easily initiate turns on men's skis. They're too far aft to engage the tips.

Woman's ski geometry features a more forward sidecut, a softer flex and (sometimes) a raised heel platform.

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There are powerful female skiers with suprising upper-body strenth. They have the muscle, weight distribution and "go-for-it" aggression that can overpower most female-specific designs.

But, on average, most ladies I've met VASTLY perfer female-specific equipment over the old "unisex" models (man's ski, stripped of guts, and painted pink).

Today's products are focused and designed around distinctions that render a woman's experience inherently more comfortable, easy and pleasing, thus significantly raising the bar on performance.
Most of what you have said here implies that all women like women skis unless she's built like a wrestler.

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If you prefer a man's ski, bully for you. Some woman, depending upon their upper body strength, build, etc. do. But, you're the minority.

What percentage of skis sold to woman today, in the average ski shop, are men's skis? 2%?

The point is, female skis are designed for the AVERAGE woman, which most woman appreciate.

"Shrink and Pink" as you aptly put it, was the only option 5 years ago - a trivialization of woman's needs, with disragard for differences in anatomy.
How on earth would we know what percentage of women buy unisex skis for their own use?:

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Isn't this exactly what's been said - by me and others on this thread?

You're grabbing at an old, time-worn, indignant stance ("How dare you just sell me a flowered paint-job?") that's got nothing to do with the content of previous posts.

Hence, what are you complaining about?
Maybe I'm confused, but most of what you said in previous posts have generalized a bunch.
That's like me saying that all men are Strong Skiers, just because they are men. :

Take women like me and blkyn, who are vastly different in shape and size, but both ski unisex skis, yet, not exclusively.

Anatomy is just as different within the genders as it is from one gender to the other.

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It isn't a conspiracy, it is good marketing. And I can't complain about marketing that works, it's just mildly amusing to me that it has worked so well on you...and you aren't even the target.

Evidence? Go test skis. Try women's models. Notice the ones you think are pretty good tend to be the ones strong female skiers think are pretty good. Sexual dimorphism doesn't drive ski design, and shouldn't...but it sure does drive the marketing.
post #33 of 34
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If you prefer a man's ski, bully for you. Some woman, depending upon their upper body strength, build, etc. do. But, you're the minority....
Upper body strength? It's got so little to do with good skiing that it's hardly worth mentioning. If you are initiating your turns with your upper body, that's not good skiing. If you are leading the marching band with your pole swings.... that's not good either.

As with everything on the internet, consider the source. A bunch of guys talking about their wives and girlfriends... or women with actual experience as women, skiing.

Plenty of good stuff here, but also a bunch of junk science and supposition. Hopefully readers can tell the difference.
post #34 of 34
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So as not to hijack this thread any more, we can/should carry this discussion elsewhere.
Interesting how that quote comes up after you finish your manifesto. aka: "Now that I've had the last word -we should let this go."

Then, your ire get's stirred, and it's off to the races again.

Underneath all the blather, why are you so PO'd?
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