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Thread Starter 
2/24/2008 Wintergreen Virginia
Slope: Upper Cliff hanger
Pitch: 23 Degrees
Conditions: Slushy

Short video shot by my son.
post #2 of 14

Well this one is a nice test of our ability to analyze video. Son needs a little more practice keeping the subject in the shot and how to turn on the image ssssstabbbbbilization (just kidding, my first few attempts at videoing skiing looked like this).

We can see you right as you pass the camera at 17 seconds. At one point you're belly button is lined up over your heels. This is wayyyyy in the back seat. You get some good angles later on, but you have to pivot your skis to get there and this is going to cause a lot of skidding. I can't see if there is an alignment issue as a cause for being in the back seat. If you have not been checked, you should. Otherwise my recommendation is to try stepping and hopping drills to start developing movements that will help you stay with your skis. My good friend Tony Knows how to ski. He says the Toes, Knees and Nose should be lined up. You may require boot work, remounting your bindings, a stance change and/or new movement patterns to get there.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
OH Yeah!! Thanks. Toes Knees Nose got it. I have felt way back. I should get an on slope eval. I will try and get better video.
post #4 of 14
compared to editing the filming was actually pritty desent .

Anyway, you need some lessons. The problem as I see it is that you park and ride. Look at your angulation attempt in the last turn filmed from behind... You need to be able to move dynamically and leg/upper body independently. You need to get rid of banking and your square stance and get your weight forward. Dot worrie, those are all skills that every one out on the slope are batteling with. New video would be helpful.

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Whoah most of that is greek to me. Forgive my ignorance.
  • park and ride?
  • angulation attempt: Angle fore and aft or side to side?
  • move dynamically and leg/upper body independently? Help. Examples online?
  • get rid of banking? and your square stance ?
  • get your weight forward Ok that is one I understand
post #6 of 14
The only thing you need to be concerned about right now is getting a balanced/centered stance.

The rest is simply not important.
post #7 of 14
And that means that you should be concerned about not being in back seat.. You should lean more forward in your stance. Flex your boots!
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
Great That makes it simple. One thing to concentrate on. Thursday may not be so slushy. I was a little tenative in the spring thaw with the weekend slope trashing. During the week should be less traffic and temps have dropped. But my film maker will be in school. So I may have to trust a stranger. Just hope I can ski faster if he takes off with the camera. Any way there is only one way to go... down!!
post #9 of 14
Most important thing first. Clearly visible at 17 seconds. Weight behind your feet.

There are two parts to the ski. The front half turns you and helps you slow when your weight is on it. The back half wants to run fast and straight when your weight is there. The right place to be is centered over your feet until you need more action from the fronts of your skis, then the weight there briefly while you get that action.

You must get your center of mass over the balls of your feet. That must come first. After this, lots of things will work much better, and you can try new things.

So, how to achieve this centering? Try just pulling your feet behind you. That works for some folks. (The feet will be actually under the hips, but they'll feel like they're way behind you.) If your bindings are movable fore & aft, try moving them forward. If your boots have adjustable or removable gizmos for forward lean, try a more upright stance. If you have heel lifts inside your boots, try removing the lifts.

Try pulling the inside foot in every turn back, and keep the pull-back pressure on it all the time through every turn.

When you are in the transition between turns pull both feet strongly back behind you. The steeper the slope, the stronger and farther the pull-back needs to be.

When you find what works for you, let us all know. Take more video when you're balanced and centered. We'll have suggestions for your next most important movement to improve. (I'd get the feet closer together and less weight on the inside foot, but getting centered over your skis must come first.)
post #10 of 14
Perhaps see an alignment specialist to help evaluate your boot alignment to insure you are not having to compensate for equipment issues. In other words, take away any impediments to progress caused by your equipment first then focus on your intrinsic stance goals.
post #11 of 14
Joe, I think this ties in to the issues you were talking about in your other thread, where you mentioned that your skis were breaking loose and chattering at higher speeds. If you are skiing in the backseat, there is probably daylight under the fronts of the skis and the tips are not biting into the snow for a solid carve. If that's the case, getting your weight forward ought to eliminate the issues you're having on the skis. This technique adjustment will have a much more profound effect than switching to different or longer skis. In fact, if you carried a backseat style to longer skis, you'd probably see even more chattering issues. -- Craig
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
Craig et al:

I still have so much to learn

I am working on these technique issues. The day of the video it was very slushy and I found my self skiing very defensively and yes way behind. We went back the same week on a weekday when the temp was 17 -f and we had first tracks with only the weekday crowd. Forgot the camera... ugh!!! It was soooo much better. The slopes were groomed and the layer of machine snow was flat. It made for many nice runs where I could concentrate on positioning and more importantly pressure on the ball of the foot.

Once I got into the drivers seat I was not ready for how much the ski would turn. It was a great day. Where the slush had ruined my confidence the cold groom bolsterred it. Once we got the lay of the land we bombed right over each edge.

1. when I get my body up forward i still feel like my weight is on my heels. It takes a concious effort to shift to the balls. Will the boot fitment/fot analysis remedy this?
2. Will a custom footpad be thicker under heel to force me on to the ball?
3. Boot canting It seems the more positive I adjust the less feel I have on the ball? Is this correct?



BTW Will be at Snow Shoe WV March 7,8,9 for Ski South East Summit
post #13 of 14
Originally Posted by jemofvausa View Post
1. when I get my body up forward i still feel like my weight is on my heels. It takes a concious effort to shift to the balls. Will the boot fitment/fot analysis remedy this?
2. Will a custom footpad be thicker under heel to force me on to the ball?
3. Boot canting It seems the more positive I adjust the less feel I have on the ball? Is this correct?

Think of it this way. When the skis enter the fall line, they accelerate. You need to be ahead of the skis so that they will "push" you instead of pulling you. If your weight is on the heels, you're going to get pulled. If you start a turn with your weight moving forward onto the balls of your feet, that will let you get ahead of the skis. If you finish the turn letting the skis catch up to you (e.g. weight over the arch), then you have room to move forward again to start the next turn. Ski bindings and boots are designed to set you so that your toes are below your heels so that you can easily move your weight a little forward. Too much or too little and your going to have problems. There's a fair amount of "wiggle room" that won't make much of an impact for most skiers. Some skiers need adjustments to get their set up to match their body configuration. Many skiers ski in the backseat because of technique. Many skiers ski in the backseat because of setup. The only ways to know for sure which category you fall into are to get checked by a bootfitter or get a lesson from a pro who knows alignment.

One of the adjustments for custom footbeds is to "build up" the thickness under the toe or the heel to effect fore/aft balance. It may seem weird, but some backseat driving can be cured by "toe lifts" (building up under the toe instead of the heel). Other times, heel lifts are needed.

Canting is an adjustment to change the lateral balance. People who are bow legged often need canting under their little toes to get their feet to be flat when the skis are directly underneath them. Canting changes how you to have to move your body to get your skis to change edges.
post #14 of 14
Great advice rusty.
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