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Slalom Ski Help

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I want to race masters GS and Slalom. I have skied for over 30 years but not raced in the last 25. I am 5'7" tall and weigh 150 lbs. I recently purchased Atomic LT12 in a 183 and love the skis, high level of comfort at speed, easy to turn, great control etc. I also puchased Atomic SL12 FIS race stock skis in a 165 , only way they make them, and cannot seem to get the skis to flex and be comfortable on them with out sking them in fast wide turns like a GS or SGS ski. They get real squirly if I try short turns. Will detuning more of the tip so I can crank on the ski tip more help?, Will moving the Atomic race binding all the way forward help?, or am I just too lite for the ski and what would be a good substitute and stiil meet the masters requirement of a 165 length ski?
post #2 of 15
unless you are skiing FIS masters I think you will find there is not a length requirement for USSA Masters. If you want to stay with Atomic you may want to consider the LT12 Sl instead. The 165 SL12 is quite a beefy ski
post #3 of 15
You will do better with the 155cm. SL ski which is the FIS legal length for women, but in masters racing you can legally use it. The women on the World Cup circuit are mostly around your weight and height. Moving the binding forward on the 165cm skis will help, but your weight is really too light. I wouldn't detune them - they still have to be sharp for the icy ruts at the gates. You can try to keep using them and working on your technique, but it will be demanding.

As well, for masters GS races, you will do better with a shorter GS ski like 167cm or 176cm with a shorter turn radius. The masters GS races are not like World Cup GS races - they are usually set more like an elongated SL race with a much slower course speed than the 90km/hr World Cup GS average speeds and with tighter turns. Your 183cm GS ski will force you to skid too much around the gates on a masters GS race and you will not be able to go fast enough to make it up.

Check the FIS website for technical specs on skis for FIS masters races. I think there is some latitude allowed for masters racers.
post #4 of 15
Not sure how stringent NE Masters is on their gear requirements, but for the local NY Masters races, its "run what ya brung". If you start competing at the regional or national level and are seeded high, your gear might be challenged,but unless you're smoking the field at a local level, I doubt anyone will question you. The top guys are using FIS legal skis, but us lower level hackers make do with consumer race stuff.

I thought Atomic still made the SL12 in the PB version in addition to the race stock, although a buddy of mine ordered them on pro form and got the race stocks. No knock of your ability intended, but at your height and weight that's a lot of ski.
post #5 of 15

What they said...

...the official USSA Masters position on the FIS regs are that they are a recommendation, not a requirement. Get on an ST12, and you'll be happy...
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for feed back

I thought the 165 length was a requirement for masters, I am glad to hear it is not. The 183 LT12's are very easy for me to ski so I will keep those for GS. I would have bought Atomic ST11 or St12 in a a 160 -165 if I could find them. I have a pair of Dynstar OME glass 63 in a 157 and over ski them I think they are too short and think I would feel the same about the Atomic ST12 in a 155 length.
Thanks again for the feed back.
post #7 of 15

One last thought...

...check the tune on your SL12s. I had two pairs of Head GSs that I would have sworn were to factory specs (1 base, 3 side), and we ran some big hill, full length GS and neither pair felt like they had any edges at all. Turns out one pair had a (get this) 4 degree base bevel. So I got both pairs taken down to flat, then back to an honest 1/3, and they're fine...
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...Turns out one pair had a (get this) 4 degree base bevel. So I got both pairs taken down to flat, then back to an honest 1/3, and they're fine...
This is unfortunately a fairly common occurance. If you are a serious racer or skier, it is a good idea to have new skis checked, and if necessay, set up by a competent shop before use.
post #9 of 15

Boy, ain't that the truth...

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Originally Posted by NE1 View Post
This is unfortunately a fairly common occurance. If you are a serious racer or skier, it is a good idea to have new skis checked, and if necessay, set up by a competent shop before use.

...now I know. I do all my own service work unless I have a problem like this. On this one, I have no idea what happened, because I *thought* I checked the base bevel, and it was right on the money. All better now, though...
post #10 of 15
I have had 165cm race stock SL skis for several years and I really like them because I know I can't overski them, they are built for the specific job, and they are the real deal with no compromises in their construction or materials to soften the ski to accommodate a lack of technical proficiency.

So, I may be biased, but, since you are having difficulty with the 165cm skis, I would suggest going with a 155cm race stock SL ski rather than a softer 165cm wannabe. You are about the same height and weight as the World Cup women racers who use the 155s. You will be able to carve better on the usual tight SL courses with the 155s, and as your skills improve, the 155s will still be able to perform for you.
post #11 of 15
The 165's are simply too stiff.
Why are the 157's too short?
post #12 of 15
I am going to buck the trend here.

i own the Atomic SL12 PB (Powerbridge) which is the retail version of the SL12. this ski is plenty of ski for any masters racer.

Regardless of length, you've got to be able to bend the ski, period!!!!

the 155 is going to have such a small margin of error fore/aft. I also own the Head i.SL RD 166 Vist Race Stock and Stockli laser WC 166 and 2 pair of Sl11 Race Stock 165.

My tool of choice for masters slalom, the 165 SL 12PB. All the race stock slaloms are fabulous for freeskiing, but in a slalom course the SL12 have plenty of edgehold but i can bend the ski and at 165 is plebty quick and much smoother. if I do get bakc on them, I don't do pull the tips up over my head and go bass ackwards.

the OP said, "I also puchased Atomic SL12 FIS race stock skis in a 165 , only way they make them" This is not the case.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I am going to buck the trend here.

i own the Atomic SL12 PB (Powerbridge) which is the retail version of the SL12. this ski is plenty of ski for any masters racer.

Regardless of length, you've got to be able to bend the ski, period!!!!

the 155 is going to have such a small margin of error fore/aft. I also own the Head i.SL RD 166 Vist Race Stock and Stockli laser WC 166 and 2 pair of Sl11 Race Stock 165.

My tool of choice for masters slalom, the 165 SL 12PB. All the race stock slaloms are fabulous for freeskiing, but in a slalom course the SL12 have plenty of edgehold but i can bend the ski and at 165 is plebty quick and much smoother. if I do get bakc on them, I don't do pull the tips up over my head and go bass ackwards.

the OP said, "I also puchased Atomic SL12 FIS race stock skis in a 165 , only way they make them" This is not the case.
Good points A-man. i had the same Head Sl race stock and, as you say, fabulous for free skiing but waaaaaay too much for me in gates. I have compromised now with teh Fischer 161 Wc sl which seems to be more manageable (and bendable) for me at 165# and gives me a bit more than the 156 stock Salomons which I also used, even tho I suck at slalom
post #14 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I am going to buck the trend here.

i own the Atomic SL12 PB (Powerbridge) which is the retail version of the SL12. this ski is plenty of ski for any masters racer.

Regardless of length, you've got to be able to bend the ski, period!!!!

the 155 is going to have such a small margin of error fore/aft. I also own the Head i.SL RD 166 Vist Race Stock and Stockli laser WC 166 and 2 pair of Sl11 Race Stock 165.

My tool of choice for masters slalom, the 165 SL 12PB. All the race stock slaloms are fabulous for freeskiing, but in a slalom course the SL12 have plenty of edgehold but i can bend the ski and at 165 is plebty quick and much smoother. if I do get bakc on them, I don't do pull the tips up over my head and go bass ackwards.

the OP said, "I also puchased Atomic SL12 FIS race stock skis in a 165 , only way they make them" This is not the case.

I second this. I ski both the SL12pb (in a 160) and the FIS SL12 (165). The FIS ski is a LOT of ski. I am 6'2" 190, and these skis will run away from me if I get in the back seat in the course. With a good tune on the SL12pb they definitely rip in the course and would probably be more suited for your weight. I haven't personally skied the ST12, but that is also a good option. Its a wood-core ski and its a bit stiffer than the SL12pb. My girlfriend races on the FIS ST12 (155) and she loves it. She is about 10-15 lbs lighter than you. Hope this helps.
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the input
I ordered a pair of Atomic SL pb in a 160 length
My hope is after half a season on them my technique improves and I move up to the to the SL race stock 165
Gotta have goals
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