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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I live in the western suburbs of Denver. None of the shops I've been to in town even have any mogul-specific skis to sell (special order only) and naturally none to demo. Does anyone know of any mountain shops in the Front Range area that might have mogul skis in stock or demos available?

Or are these skis something that those who buy them already know what they want and don't need to demo them anyway?

A related question. Are mogul skis nowadays considered to be straight skis or shaped skis, or some twilight zone undefined thing in between? Some of the discussions here seem to suggest "twilight zone".
post #2 of 20
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Originally Posted by Morrison Claystone View Post

A related question. Are mogul skis nowadays considered to be straight skis or shaped skis, or some twilight zone undefined thing in between? Some of the discussions here seem to suggest "twilight zone".
Some have more shape than others. I guess I don't know exactly where straight stops and shape starts but here are some numbers for your consideration.

'08 Hart F17: 103.8, 66.6, 89.2
'08 Rossi: 101, 66, 91
'07 Twister: 98, 66, 85
'07 Dragon Slayer: 94, 66, 80
'07 Cabrawler: 92, 66, 82
'08 Rebellion: 89, 63, 78
'08 Head Mojo: 89, 60, 80
post #3 of 20
Having tried to demo skis at the mountain a few times, I'm guessing you'll have difficulty finding any of these skis listed by bumpfreaq, though certainly ask and see how it goes. You might have to settle for something like the Rossi Bandit B74 (74 base), which turned out to be the best "bump" ski on offer at one of the shops in Park City. Good luck. And pls post what you find/discover/learn. Doug
post #4 of 20
It stands to reason why it's nearly impossible to find any shop that demos bump skis. Cause they're gonna take a beating and after a few times out they'd be basically worthless as the topskins will be all scratched and nicked as bump skis get.

Your best bet would be to just get yourself a pair. Bump specific skis are so equal in construction and feel. The key is how good are you? If you are good and have strong technique, you'd be happy with any of them. If you're looking to buy a bump ski to make you a better mogul skier, forget it. Spend your money on a couple bump clinics instead.
post #5 of 20
There are only a couple of brands left making bump skis, K2 and Dynastar are out this year. So Head, Hart, rossignol, Salomon and Volkl are pretty much it.

I'd rank them from burliest to most forgiving like this (educated guess on the Hart placement...):

Head
Volkl
Hart
Rossi
Salomon
post #6 of 20
Here are Colorado Hart dealers. Colorado
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
My objective is to replace all my outdated straight stuff by this time next year. I wanted to add a bump ski to my demo list if it turns out any are available, just to see what they're like. My short list includes B74/78, something from the Apache line, Monster 78, Trouble Maker and Mojo Spawn. I know there are lots of other likely candidates out there, but there isn't enough time/money to try them all.

I've mostly given up on my old long boards because they're too much work, so I use a couple of pairs of shorter skis from the 70's freestyle era, a 160 Hart and a 170 Dynastar MPI.

If it looks like it might be hard to find a bumper to demo, I'll just go with my list, maybe add another to it. It looks like if I really want a bump ski, I'll just have to dive in and buy it, but I'm not quite ready for that yet.

Thanks, all.
post #8 of 20
Hard to go wrong with this...... $200. It's a really fun ski, you might just want to use it on the flats too
post #9 of 20
How is the top skin on the Cabrawler? Better than the one on my 2006/2007 PEs? That is, better than wax?
post #10 of 20
Also, regarding the B74, I think that is a good choice. My friend and I liked that a fair bit over the K2 PE, The Legend, and the Apache Recon in the bumps. B74 is quick, light, relatively soft, holds decent edge. Easy to forget about them, which is perhaps the best praise, no?
post #11 of 20
Yeah, way different than the PE. I've got twentyish days on mine and not too much in the way of scuffs or nicks.....let alone the gouges and gashes that I've accumulated in tenish days on the PEs.
post #12 of 20
I have Head big mogul from 2003 or so. Luv em. They were already 2 yrs old when I bought them. Shape skis are not good in bumps so bump lovers know what they want. I would say length is more important than what model you get. Get as long a ski as you can handle. I used to drag a 198 thru the bumps but moguls are too small now for that.:
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
There are only a couple of brands left making bump skis, K2 and Dynastar are out this year. So Head, Hart, rossignol, Salomon and Volkl are pretty much it.

I'd rank them from burliest to most forgiving like this (educated guess on the Hart placement...):

Head
Volkl
Hart
Rossi
Salomon
Not true. K2 is still making bump skis. '08 model has picked up the old name, Mamba. Have a look: http://www.untracked.com/p1976-08_k2...ogul_skis.html

ID One is also a bump ski manufacturer. So the list is:

Head
Volkl
Hart
Rossi
Salomon
K2
ID One
post #14 of 20
I bought a pair of new Dynastar Vertical Assault mogul skis many years ago. They were the most popular model used on the World Cup Freestyle circuit at the time. I got a really good deal on them so I couldn't resist buying them.

I tried using them as all-mountain skis at Lake Louise in Alberta, but they really took a lot of work for me to ski them all day. They were quite straight and stiff, which was probably just what the pros wanted for the mogul courses.

But, for me, and for my intended use, they were basically a failed experiment.

Unless you are a competitive level mogul skier, I would suggest getting a softer ski for skiing moguls, and with a little sidecut so you can also use them for all-mountain skiing.
post #15 of 20
Give a twin tip a try, most people around here are using those for
bumps now and doing well.

I used Salomon 1080 Thrusters in the soft bumps today in VT.
I really liked them! Easiest turning ski i ever tried and you can
really pivot those twin tips which is critical in bumps. Super soft
shovel was a blast.
post #16 of 20

Bump. 

 

I can't find a single place in Colorado that demo's Hart skis. I clicked the link that Philpug posted, foothills ski and bike appears to be out of business since their website is down and the number is disconnected, and the ski shop in Vail doesn't have them.

post #17 of 20

Dedicated bump skis if any kind are pretty tough to get your hands on.  It is a real niche market where most consumers already know exactly what they want.  I'd try some bump skiing forum classifieds and shop used if you're not sure which ones you'd like at this point.

 

hart F17 WC

Moment Mowgli

K2 244 Mamba

Dynsatar Twister

 

Those are some pretty good choices that have been produced recently.

post #18 of 20

What are the attributes of a modern dedicated bump ski?  What tends to make it unique?

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post
 

What are the attributes of a modern dedicated bump ski?  What tends to make it unique?


Shape- pretty minimal, often GS ski-like sidecut, the Hart F17 came out of the GS ki mold at one point. One version was the GS ski.

Width- very, very narrow so they are extremely quick from edge to edge.

Flex- traditionally unbalanced with a slightly softer shovel and stiffer tail. Softish shovel absorbs some impact the stiffer tail provides a platform to get back over the ski if you get back.

Weight- generally a lighter ski is much quicker and much easier to throw combinations on jumps.

post #20 of 20
Need feedback, which bump ski is a better carver, or just all Mtn use if I want to take a break from bumps? Hart F-17 Classic or dynastar twister?
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