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Stock Lange liner vs. Intuition

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I have a pair of 05 Lange Freeride Comp 120's. I am looking for a little more toe room (more length than width). There is no wiggle room at all in my current setup. The shells have been blown out and ground a little further. The liners have been slit by the big toe to allow the liner to expand.

I'm curious as to whether replacing the stock liner with an Intuition would provide a litte more room.

Thanks,
Gary
post #2 of 16
you may get a little more space using one of the plug liners that they produce, it will depend on the shell fit, but if the foot is padded up with some good toe caps then it may well work
post #3 of 16
how many days on the boots?

if more then 10 they are about done packing out. int liner will not help much, is your heel back all the way in the boot? heel lift and see if that makes the toes feel better?
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
how many days on the boots?

if more then 10 they are about done packing out. int liner will not help much, is your heel back all the way in the boot? heel lift and see if that makes the toes feel better?
The boots are done packing out. They used to be a very tight fit. Last year I ended up in the hospital for 5 months. Believe it or not, when I got out my feet were a little larger. I had to replace all of my shoes, 1/2 size larger. I wa trying to avoid replacing the boots also.

There is a little heel lift on my right foot (and that is the bigger foot). I don't think that foot is as far back as it could be. How should I get it further into the heel pocket?

Thanks,
Gary
post #5 of 16
it may be possible to create a bit of space by grinding the heel pocket, it may solve the problem? the other thing worth looking at may be any reasr spiler in the boot, if this catches on your calf muscle then it may be pushing your foot forward, if there is one try removing it and see how you feel, a halter pad on the front of the tongue could also help hold the foot back if there is any slip
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by CEM View Post
it may be possible to create a bit of space by grinding the heel pocket, it may solve the problem? the other thing worth looking at may be any reasr spiler in the boot, if this catches on your calf muscle then it may be pushing your foot forward, if there is one try removing it and see how you feel, a halter pad on the front of the tongue could also help hold the foot back if there is any slip
So to revive this old thread. My ski season ended before I made any additional changes last year. I just went out yesterday for the first time this year and I need to get this resolved. I had to stop and play with the boots after every other run.

The rear spoiler was removed already.

Not sure what to try first.

FYI, I wear a street shoe size 11 1/2. The Lange shell is a size 10, medium fit. The liner says 10-10 1/2. The shell fit is a hair over 1 finger.

They were comfortably tight before I was hospitalized. Since then I am on immunosuppresant medications. One of the side effects of the drugs are numb feet. My soles always have a dull tingling sensation. I can't wear tight socks without discomfort, so ski boots are obviously an issue.

I'm not sure if I should just try to get fitted in a new boot with more room in the toe box or keep trying with these. How do you you know when enough is enough?

I've been working with Greg at Heino's ski shop in NJ. He has been great, but I'm still not sure if I should just start over.

Thanks again,
Gary
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
One other thing. The liners alone, not in the boot are still too tight as far as having any wiggle room, even with slits cut in the front of the liner.

Thanks again,
Gary
post #8 of 16
talk to a fitter and see how much more they can punch the boot out. As is it is useless to you, so if they destroy the boot it STILL is useless.

THen if that works great, if not, or if the boot is done then get some new ones
post #9 of 16
Sounds like the boots were tight before your feet got bigger. A 1 finger fit is minimal room for a skier who does not have sensitivity issues. Since the shell is what ultimatly rules the fit new liners won't help. If I were you I would start trying on new boots and not waste time on the old ones.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
talk to a fitter and see how much more they can punch the boot out. As is it is useless to you, so if they destroy the boot it STILL is useless.

THen if that works great, if not, or if the boot is done then get some new ones
Not really useless, as I used them as is about 20 times last year. But, I couldn't wait to take them off each time I used them.

My first year in the boots I could wear them all day. Never even had to loosen them for lunch.

I'm trying to schedule an appointment this week.

Just out of curiosity, if the majority of the boot fits well, are there boots with a similar fit, but just more room in the toe box area?

Thanks again.
post #11 of 16
same boot just one size bigger?

lange HP fit = 98mm.

same as full tilt, notdica pro, salomon falcon, etc

just about ever company makes something like this, just find a good boot fitter that can tweak the small details for you.
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
So far so good, He was able to blow out the Toe box a little more, and did some minor surgery on liners. Sitting around in the shop they were comfortable. Hopefully I'll get them out on some snow this week. Though it is 67 degrees & raining here right now.

Thanks Guys.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
To revive this thread one more time. The boots have been working great until the temps really dropped. After skiing last week, I removed the liners to dry out.

The liners had previously been modified with small vertical slits. The bootfitter mentioned he did some further mods last time, but I never really looked. On the left liner, the sole of the liner is not connected to the upper half anymore, just around the toe box. I'm not sure if that was intentional (or a normal modification). It would explain why my toes are getting cold when temps drop to the single digits.

Overall though, the boots are a comfortable fit again. So, would Intuition Liners solve my problems here?
post #14 of 16
Some of the other guys might have more experience with fitting a Intuition liner in a lange 120 but from my experience unless you have a fairly low-volume foot, it could be a tight fit.
post #15 of 16
Can't see any reason why an Intuition would help. Different liner, but no reason to expect more toe room. One finger is minimal but not absurdly so and some grinding and stretching should bring it into line.

Lou
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post
Can't see any reason why an Intuition would help. Different liner, but no reason to expect more toe room. One finger is minimal but not absurdly so and some grinding and stretching should bring it into line.

Lou
The boot fits fine now, if you read my last post. Now the issue is the fact that my toes are getting cold because the liners are open at the toebox area. On my left foot the upper & lower halfs of the liner are no longer connected.
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