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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I have a narrow foot. Seems like 98mm boots are still too wide at the top of my foot. The racing liners fit a little better but they are horribly uncomfortable. I've tried on Dalbello, Atomic, Nordica, & Head brands. Can't remember all the styles but they were the "thinnest" boots at the stores where I tried them on.

I really liked the Dalbello KR Cross and the Head S13 Heat Fit. I got talked into the Dalbello Cross which are really comfortable and I don't really have a complaint except my forefoot still swims around in the boot. Which, at the end of the day when I'm getting tired, I feel like I don't have as much control because my feet feel sloppy in the boots. Initiating turns becomes harder. I've only skied in the boots once and the place I bought them said they would make them right.

Just need to know if I should opt for a custom fit liner or a different boot. Couldn't find anyone that had any Lange's. Heard they were a tight fit. Any help would be appreciated.
post #2 of 15
if your problem is width then I would go for a narrower boot. Some of the softer flexing plugs maybe. Your other option would be injected foam liners.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
The Dalbello's are 98mm according to the boot tag. Do they make a boot more narrow? I was told and from the hours of research on the internet, there isn't anything "thinner". My exact problem is that I can wiggle my toes and "pick-up" and twist (slightly) my forefoot. I could probably put a finger and a half in the space. But, these were the only boots, that I tried on, that fit my heel the best. Everything else I could pick up the toe/ball and heel.

Would a step down in shell size make a difference? I tried on the Dalbello Krypton Pro (07/08) in a 27.5 but they were miserably uncomfortable. They didn't have the Cross in the 27.5 so I just stuck with my usual 28.5.

I'm so confused and overwhelmed. : I think I have actually put too much thought into this. However, I am stuck with a store credit (at the least) if I take back the Dalbello's and I'm pretty sure won't get a second exchange. For $600, I better be sure.

Someone be kind....decide for me. Thanks!!
post #4 of 15
Let's start with this: No one here can tell you what will fit without seeing your feet. No one can tell what your 'tolerance' for a close fit will be without working with you. The best we can do is tell you "see a qualified professional boot fitter and trust his (and your) judgment."

That being said, there are narrower boots than the Krypton (...and the Head S13 is a BIG boot the Raptor line might be better). There are narrower boots but it sounds like your issue is a combination of narrow foot and VERY low instep.

Some information would be helpful: Street shoe size, Actual foot length, previous boots owned and your experience with them.
post #5 of 15
Here is the problem, race boots are narrow and recreational boots are wide. If you have a narrow boot and can't handle a race boot, then you will have trouble finding a boot.If you have a wide foot, and want a race boot, you have the same problem.

If you want a stiff boot, look for a plug. If you want a softer boot, you may want to consider an Intuition liner.
post #6 of 15
full tilt
salomon falcon 98mm
lange HP fit (120/130 freeride and some of the blue boots too) 98mm
lange WC fit 96mm

you can make a stiff boot softer, but not a soft boot stiffer, so find the right fit and then make the boots softer if needed.

once you have the narrowest shell, and if you still need volume taken up, go for a int liner, or foam. but start with the tightest shell fit.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Wow..thanks for the responses.

I found a way to get my toes/forefoot more secure. I had a pair of custom insoles that were made for me over the summer but I never used them because they were uncomfortable. I figured I would try them in the ski boot just to get an idea whether or not a height adjustment and arch support.

Anyway, WHITEROOM: you asked about my feet and previous boots - I was told I have a long ("very long" my husband yells from the living room) arch. Long, narrow foot. Size 11.5 in women's and anywhere from 9.5 to 10.5 in mens - US sizes. Previously, had an ancient pair of Salomon 63 that I bought in 94. Size 28.5. They were fine that I can remember but my foot was always kind of loose in the toe/forefoot area and it got worse as the boot wore out. Now they just cause horrible pain in the shins and my foot swims. And they are embarrassingly old.

Actual foot size is a little under 28 cm on left and just over 28 cm on right. I could be off a mm or two. When I initially tried on the boots, they felt good. Just about 2 fingers at the heel when liner was out of the boot. When the boot is on, it fits fine in length but I could pick up my forefoot on the right and it felt tighter on the left - which is my smaller/narrower foot.

With the inserts in my forefoot is fine but my heels lift in the back. I don't know how to tell how high they lift just yet. Maybe 5mm or so. Not too much. I don't think thats too big of a deal - nothing a wedge couldn't help -maybe.

I tried on a 27.5 in the Krypton Pro but it was way too tight and painful. Not the usual "tight fit" but really painful - with all the extra stuff pulled out and set for a more "comfort" fit. They didn't have the Krypton Cross in a 27/27.5 but I don't know if it would be that different from the shell of the Krypron Pro. The boot-fitter said I was definitely a 28.

Thanks for all your advice/help. Much appreciated. My local ski boot fitter will be back in tomorrow so I can have him put his expertise to use. He pushed these Cross' so maybe he can fix 'em.

PEACE
post #8 of 15
See what the fitter can do. Sounds like a layer of Bontex under the foot bed (or liner) would help, it will raise your foot higher in the shell (by a few mm) reducing volume, this might be helpful for you. I hope everything works out for you.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Trixi View Post
I found a way to get my toes/forefoot more secure. I had a pair of custom insoles that were made for me over the summer but I never used them because they were uncomfortable. I figured I would try them in the ski boot just to get an idea whether or not a height adjustment and arch support.
The custom insole should not be uncomfortable. In what way is it uncomfortable?

Note that, without the support provided by a correctly build footbed, it is difficult to obtain a correct fit. Without the footbed, your foot will get longer when you put weight on it. The boot will feel too short, even if it is the correct size. You may, as a result, buy a boot that is at least one shell size larger than you really need. You find yourself "swimming" in the boot, so you buckle it tighter, causing pain.

The footbed should support your foot so that it doesn't collapse and get longer or wider, and it should do it without pressure points under the arch or anywhere else. If necessary, it can be modified to take up volume in a boot that is otherwise well suited to you.
post #10 of 15
From a guy who has owned 7 boots in 7 years time (Lang, Dalbello, Salomon, Rosignol, Head, Head, Head), I will tell you this. Get the shell appropriate for you ability and that most closely fits your foot shape, then head on over to a competent boot fitter and let him work on it...this is the only way you will be able to get a performance fit that is painless.....at least this has been my experience.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by jhcooley View Post
The custom insole should not be uncomfortable. In what way is it uncomfortable?
They were uncomfortable in my hiking boots. I thought I would try them in the ski boot as they are a little wider than my hiking boots. As I thought, they laid a little flatter in my ski boots. Therefore, fitting better - more comfortable than before in my hiking boots.

Funniest thing, I had to put on a thinner sock than I was using and it fits much better. I have to use a thicker sock on my right foot, though. Perfection at its finest.

My heels still feel like I can pull them up quite a bit but it doesn't seem to affect my skiing that I can tell. Maybe my husband should video me and put me in my place. Either way, I think I worked it out.

No offense to "pro" boot fitters, but it seems a lot of people consider themselves experts when really they've just fit a lot of boots. Heating my boots up and letting me sit with a boot on my foot when I'm complaining the boot is loose seems pointless to me. Seems like you just make bigger impressions in the moulding faster than if you just let natural wear make the impressions. They will only get "wider" as they get worn, right? Also, it should be a crime to spend another $250 on liners when you spent $600 in the first place for the boots that they swear they will "get right". I think it is nonsense. Boots should come with liners that mould to any width. Where the he$$ is the Tempurpedic ski boot liner?

Thanks for all your help and suggestions.
post #12 of 15
If your heel is lifting, you should consider heel lifts or a less stiff boot.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...t=boot+fitters
post #13 of 15
I am going to take a wild guess that the shells are too big based on the cascade of issues you are describing; plus, I have a hard time believing that you really need a 28.5 shell based on your street shoe size. If you can go to a smaller shell that is appropriate, I think you'll be able to spiral into the right fit a lot easier.
post #14 of 15
Trixi, whch Moon of Jupiter are you on?

Couldn't find any Lange boots ... : .... wass' up with that?
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
Trixi, whch Moon of Jupiter are you on?

Couldn't find any Lange boots ... : .... wass' up with that?
Shall I list the stores that I've visited in the month of February alone or can you just trust me on this one.: NO ONE carries Lange boots.: Unless they are size 24 or 30.5. I wasn't too keen on ordering them online because of return policies and shipping and such. Seems like everyone you ask turns their nose up at the mention of Lange or they say they are uncomfortable. Sounds like they are the perfect boot for me. Maybe next time.

Someone said try heel lifts. I have those in. They don't seem to work or make much difference. I've decided to "let it be" for now and enjoy my new skis and boots and Mt. Hood. Life is short to be too anal about the looseness of my heels in my boots. When I feel like dropping another $250 or so for custom liners or even more for new boots I'll do it...for now... I'll just ski!:
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