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left heel moves very slightly

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Have had my Salomon Xwave boots for a couple of years now but am starting to notice my left heel moving very slightly.
I probably didn't notice this much before as I kept both skis on the ground but have started doing this move where I tilt the inside ski onto its tip to help bring it across in a turn. Bad technique or not
Anyway, doing this means the heel comes up slightly whereas it does not in my right hand boot. No matter how I adjust the buckles, it still moves slightly (i'm talking millimetres here) in the left and doesn't give me the same level of control.
Any thoughts on what to do?
Tightening the 2nd buckle over foot or the lower leg buckle doesn't help.

A foam shim was suggested either side of the achilles?
post #2 of 15
My old X-Waves came with heat molded liners. If that's what you have then take them to a ski shop and have them reheated and refitted. If that doesn't fix the problem then you can look at shims and other fitting devices. If the original fit was good you may be able to recapture it for minimal or no cost. Liners can usually be reheated a couple of times without adverse results.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by GordonFreeman View Post
A foam shim was suggested either side of the achilles?
Should take less than 10 minutes to affix, completely reversible if it doesn't work, or repositionable if a heel lift changes the position of the ankle bone.





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post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
The liner wasn't heat moulded when I first bought them so not sure if it is.

I take it a boot fitter should do the shims then as the shapes seem to be different?
How does a bootfitter know where the gap is if they can't see inside the boot?

Is a shim attached to the shell so, it pushes the liner inwards?

Won't a heel lift mean that your foot is no longer flat in the boot, which is what the Conformable footbed is supposed to do? So, you will be applying slightly different movements o left and right feet to move the ski...or does this not matter since the actual boot will be flat against the binding anyway?
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by GordonFreeman View Post
I take it a boot fitter should do the shims then as the shapes seem to be different?
Possibly best. Certainly quickest.

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How does a bootfitter know where the gap is if they can't see inside the boot?
They know where the gap -isn't- with the lipstick trick or similar. They visualise the container (shell) then subtract.

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Is a shim attached to the shell so, it pushes the liner inwards?
Attached to outside of liner.

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So, you will be applying slightly different movements o left and right feet to move the ski...
Obviously they're slightly different movements -now- because you're compensating for the heel lift.

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..or does this not matter since the actual boot will be flat against the binding anyway?
Wrong plane of reference. The question afterwards is whether your hips and knees will make similar angles if the skis are tipped at the same angle. The answer is, they're not similar now and this is possibly your best chance to make them as alike as they will get.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
Seems the space between the back of my heel and the empty shell is about 20mm on the right, 20-25mm on the left.
Will the shim still help in these cases? I'm hoping it might as the right boot still feels like it fits well.
post #7 of 15

padding/shims

In addition to Comprex's shims you could try adding one on the outside of the liner tongue in the area where it transitions from horizontal (over the foot) to vertical along the shin, eliminating the space you currently lift into. Don't be afraid to reposition shims, or trim shims with an exacto knife, to get the fit perfect.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by GordonFreeman View Post
Seems the space between the back of my heel and the empty shell is about 20mm on the right, 20-25mm on the left.
Will the shim still help in these cases? I'm hoping it might as the right boot still feels like it fits well.
Owch. I was hoping it was more like 15-20.
post #9 of 15
20+mm shell fit:

the shim(s) and heel lifts might help for a while, but overall, long term, as the boots pack out and get bigger, and your ability improves and you demand more performance, you will need the next shell size down.
post #10 of 15

Similar Problem

Have a similar problem. Bought a pair of Head Edge 9+ in 28.5...fit good in the shop...lady put them on a heater to mold to my foot and made 2 runs...terrible fit with both heels lifting...went to their sister shop and they put in shims like Comprex said, ankle type...but heel still lifts a little...any suggestions? Seems as if the shop does not want to return them, but I have not asked...should I?
Thanks
post #11 of 15
bugser: 2 runs and heel lift = boots are too big I think.

did anyone shell fit them? if not just do that your self and see. 5-15mm = good. 20+ = bad and you need the next size down.

all the heat molding does is help to stretch out the liner faster. Doesn't add any magic to the system, just speeds up what the boot will do anyways in 5-10 days
post #12 of 15
[quote=mntlion;865817]bugser: 2 runs and heel lift = boots are too big I think.

did anyone shell fit them? if not just do that your self and see. 5-15mm = good. 20+ = bad and you need the next size down.


Ok...here's what my wife and I came up with...not sure on how to do this, I removed the liner and had just the plastic shell...best we can tell there is a 35 to 37 mm gap....so, looks like I'm in the wrong size boot...I hope they will take them back...

I am just getting back to the sport after about a 15 year layoff and wanted new gear, nice gentle easy skis and boots...had Salomen SX-91's on my new Rossi ACTYS 200's and the skis are fantastic...should have kept the 91's, but the liners were falling apart.

Only wish I had joined this group before purchasing...live and learn

Any idea how to get rid of them and recoup most of my investment if they refuse to take them back?
post #13 of 15
try to swap the boots for ones 2 sizes smaller (again 5-15 shell fit) Yes they will feel WAY to tight to start with, but remember how much the other boots stretched in 2 runs. When you stand up your toes will touch the end, as you flex forward they should just come off the end.

reselling: iebay, or some other online ski sites, but see if the store will swap for the right size (they should have had you in that size in the first place. Shell fitting is not THAT hard)
post #14 of 15
Would it be possible to put some molefoam or similar material around your heel inside your sock? That's what I ended up doing after wasting hundreds of dollars on 'expert bootfitting' and custom liners.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
try to swap the boots for ones 2 sizes smaller (again 5-15 shell fit) Yes they will feel WAY to tight to start with, but remember how much the other boots stretched in 2 runs. When you stand up your toes will touch the end, as you flex forward they should just come off the end.

reselling: iebay, or some other online ski sites, but see if the store will swap for the right size (they should have had you in that size in the first place. Shell fitting is not THAT hard)
Thanks for the advice...on the way to my daughters ice skating lesson, I called the main shop and they said boot fit was guaranteed and to bring them back...I'm in luck...

I will remove the liner and measure 15-20mm's...any other bits of wisdom?
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