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Difference between beginner, Advanced & Expert Skis?

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I am a intermediate skier and I thought I would ask a pro for some equipment advice.

When I was a beginner, I was talked into buying a pair of Volkl Vertigo G30 skis. I was told that they were advance skis and I don't know if those were the best skis for me back then. Now I am considering purchasing another set. What is the differnce between a beginner, Advanced and expert set of skis?

Why would someone recommend advaced to me. Did it hinder my learning?
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Since this did not receive a reply, in Ask a ski Pro, let me give it a shot since it crosses into gear head territory. I think it is more of a gear forum topic as well.

You will often hear the term "forgiveness". A ski may have a more forgiving flex and sidecut; or it may be deemed an expert's only ski. Much of that has to do with the longitudinal flex (lengthwise) of the ski. A ski with a softer tail tends to move through bumps without transferring as much of the slope variation to the skier, which in turn can throw the skier for and aft (generally into the backseat). A forgiving ski, may also tend to have slightly upturned tail or a pin-tal design that allows the ski be be more easily released and skidded.

So why would someone want and "expert" ski? A stiffer ski takes more force to decamber into a turn. That means it will support heavier weights and higher speeds while not over-flexing. A strong tail will hold onto a carved turn harder and to be skied well, requires a release that tends to be a more expert skill. These skis tend to leave a less experienced skier sitting on the slope if they do not stay forward and balanced. I'll leave it to the pros to answer that more specifically.

These are generalized characteristics and there are many variations of skis being produced today that may be a soft-expert carver or powder ski. In general though, longer, stiffer and wider seem more associated with experts, and shorter, softer moderately shaped skis seem to be preferred by learners. Your G30s were stiff, with a giant slalom sidecut and racing heritage. The 109-69-96 shape was considered mid-fat when it was produced 8-years ago. It is now on the narrow side. This ski evolved into the Supersport series and eventually to today's TigerSharks.
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Quality, plain and simple.
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post #5 of 5
I know this might ruffle some feathers here but IMO, most skis are better than most skiers. A lot of skiers blow a huge wad of cash on skis they neither need nor will ever utilize at their intended performance level. I would also wager that many skiers will never encounter the upper performance envelope of a typical ski geared towards intermediates.

Labels can be decieving and the line is often blurred. I have been on skis with the intermediate label(Dynatsar Contact 8 Limited, Fischer RX6 as examples) that handle speed and hold an edge better than a ski targeted towards an advanced or expert skier (Rossi Z9 or Salomon Cyclone as examples). My favorite groomer ski is the Fischer 175 RX8 but I would have no trouble using the 175 RX6 without needing more ski in most situations on piste. It is not as energetic and has a bit less stability but it would still get the job done.

If one wants a ski that is best for them, the best solution is to just ignore the labels and sales pitches and demo. In general, a true 'high performance' ski will be pretty stiff and burly. It will require speed to really start to come allive and bend and will not tolerate riding the tails too well and will slide out from under you. If you do not spend a lot of time at speed, the skis will likely work against you rather than with you. IMO, outside of a beginner, ski selection is less about ability than it is intended terrain,skiing style, skier weight ect.
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