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Functional Bowlegged?

post #1 of 11
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Hey All;
I have always been 2 footed skier, this season I began racing again w/ my wife. When I have my alignment checked I am usually told that I measure up perfect. More of my focus this season has been to ski more on the outside ski (esp. in the course). I find this very difficult to be on the outside leg. Having some video to review & the comments from a few folks I respect, I have been told that I'm bowlegged. I have also been told that my outer leg looks "scary" as it wobbles!!
Standing in my boots, I find it hard to pressure the inner edge of the sole. On the hill I 'feel' that I have to dive into the turn to get onto the outside ski on edge. Staying there is another challenge.
Is it possible to "measure up" fine & be in a totally different position on the hill? (I think so). I think I'll play w/ some tape on the bindings next time out.
Any thoughts are appreciated!
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post #4 of 11
Nice photos!!! I would send your mom two 8" by 11" and a two wallet size.

Yes, you can measure OK and feel off. (there are a lot of variables in the measuring process, including the boot fitter doing the measuring)

Make sure the baseline is acheived first. What baseline you ask?

1. Footbed in boot matches foot plantar surface and arch flexibity.
2. Boot board ground flat to match the earth. ( no medial or lateral angle )
3. Ankle range of motion addressed via heel height.
4. Cuff alignment adapted to match the lower leg shape while standing on footbed in shell.
5. Center of Knee mass lined up somewhere between 5mm inside to 5mm outside of the boot sole center line.
6. Make sure your skis are well prepared base edge shape somewhere .5 to 1.0 degree, smooth and sharp.

From this relatively neutral starting point, you can now fine tune for the "feel" you seek.

So once you are there, break out the duct tape and try 4 strips high side out and then reverse to high side in. Somewhere in this drill a light should go off in your head.
post #5 of 11

I agree with starthaus, and would add to insure the boot sole is trued before doing canting assessment as a warped boot sole will make it impossible to get accurate readings.

I would also add that I have seen occaisions where I have done all Jim has listed above and still the skier found that their turns felt asymetrical and one side felt undercanted or that they had difficulty feeling the inside edge of that ski. After rechecking my canting job, he was right on and symetrical even though he felt asymetrical in his skiing, upon further scrutiny, I discovered that his left foot pronated more severely than the right and the foot bed did not correct all of it. I had him stand on a varying array of shims and we found that he looked and felt the most balanced on a 2 1/2 degree shim. This was placed inside the boot and he went and skied. I got the call that all was hunky dory now!!

In conclusion, I believe we need to look at both the internal and external canting angles as well as matching the shafts to achieve the best overall results in the lateral plane. It all has to work together and each aspect affects the results independantly of the other.
post #6 of 11
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Thanks for the input! It is going to sound crazy, but I am pretty sure that is is the binding that is causing my issues. This season I went to the WC MFX binding. They clamp down firmer than anything & have zero play in them. When I'm on my race skis my outter leg wobbles like a leaf in the wind. My stnace feels pretty unnatural & kinda like I'm riding a horse.
I happen to have an identical pair of skis from a college racer. Same 191cm ski, same tune, same mounting point. The only difference was that he has Marker 18's on the skis & I put the Rossi on my Dobermann's. The difference is night & day. I think the "bigger" binding holds my boot in firmer & reinforces the over canting of my boots outward. The consumer Marker binding has way more play in the toe & I don't get the horse riding experience so much.

I am going to play w/ tape & see if I don't need to be brought inward some.

I had some folks @ the P/O clinic take a look at may stance. They confirmed that I am really not a bowwed out as much as the boots are. I am fortunate to have a great boot fitter & need to get up to see him about this!

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here is apic that pretty much sums it up!
post #8 of 11
Ouch!, that looks painful. You are listing and demonstrating typical symptoms of overcanting! I don't know what else to tell you except this looks stressful on your knee joint.

Perhaps ask your boot fitter to reassess your canting needs and how he makes any necessary adjustments if he sees a need? Does he have the tools to do the modifications needed? Sometimes boot fitters will downplay and canting needs because they do not have the tools to make the necessary adjustments? You definitely need some adjusting!
post #9 of 11
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Yeah.......I have been in touch. For the last few seasons, Ive been on softer fat skis & lesser bindings. My wife has her boots planed/canted every season & I have just never encountered this issue before.

I think the combo of race binders & skis plus vist plates are really bringing this to light.
post #10 of 11
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So I played around w/ the duct tape: this was my first exp. w/ tape. Very odd, but I could tell the difference. Even to a layer of tape.
Spoke w/ my boot fitter (top notch) & we're both a little stumped b/c in the shop I always measure up "perfect" ; it has even become a bit of a joke w/ my wife who gets canted out to ~2.5 degrees

have appt this week & will see; both agreed the photo of me running GS is just scary!
post #11 of 11
If you look good statically get ypour ankle joint checked or at least scrutinize all aspects of the system that affect fore aft. Most experts at boot fitting really miss this, the most crucial element of the system, the ankle.
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