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Binding opinions needed: Look Pivot 10 or Rossi Axium 110

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I know the Looks turntables have an awesome reputation, but I want to know if the Axium PROS outweigh the LOOKS: (haven't yet tried the LOOK turntables)

LOOKS- CONS: lifted (worse in bumps/trees..which is what I prefer), heavier, and DIN only to 10. (BUT they also allow the ski to flex better than the Rossi)

ROSSI- PROS: nonlifted, MUCH lighter, DIN to 11 (I'm 5'9" 155, level 7-8), BUT this has a 100mm brake (looking to mount it on a 75mm waist).

I'm leaning toward the ROSSIs (I can get them cheaper, they're lighter, and better springs, but do the LOOK turntable safety and flex pattern outweigh the saftey and inferiority of the ROSSIs....??

(I have both, the LOOKs are mounted (Dyn Legend 4800, but the ROSSIs were lighter and higher DIN (didn't know if the DIN mattered too much)

Any thoughts would be great...thanks!

R
post #2 of 14
Thread Starter 
Oh, and the ROSSIs have a steeper ramp angle, which I need.....
post #3 of 14
The Pivot 10 works better. You don't need a DIN over 10. It is heavier, but it is by no means a heavy binding, the Axium is just the lightest adult binding on the market. Lifters can be removed and screws replaced or ground to an appropriate length.
post #4 of 14
You know the Rossi AxiuM is not the same as the Rossi AxiaL, right? It is a much simpler heel design that doesn't perform nearly as well as the Pivot/ Axial heel. People love the Look/ Rossi binding because of it's elastic travel, the Axium doesn't have it.

Get the Look.
post #5 of 14
I had those Axiums on a pair of B2's a few years back. I always thought they were kind of flimsy.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
The Pivot 10 works better. You don't need a DIN over 10. It is heavier, but it is by no means a heavy binding, the Axium is just the lightest adult binding on the market. Lifters can be removed and screws replaced or ground to an appropriate length.
Why should you expect the binding to function properly with the toe lifter in place and the heel piece of the lifter removed? The boot will be jammed into the binding at an angle.

If you want to change that ramp, it is safer to add material under the toe of the boot and route it back to din than it is to alter the geometry of the binding.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Why should you expect the binding to function properly with the toe lifter in place and the heel piece of the lifter removed? The boot will be jammed into the binding at an angle.

If you want to change that ramp, it is safer to add material under the toe of the boot and route it back to din than it is to alter the geometry of the binding.
Re-read Garrett's post. He is talking about removing the lifter plates from the entire binding. The OP mentioned 'lift' as a 'con', Garrett mentioned it can be easily removed. He's correct.
post #8 of 14
Oops!

Apologies all 'round. Thanks for picking that up!
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
I do understand that the Axium is different than the axial, but there were just so many pros to the Axium.

If you "lower" a lifter (both toe and heel), how easy is it to decrease the size of the screws?
I guess what I'm asking is that is there a standardized depth that binding screws must penetrate the ski? Or could you "give and take a few mm?
Thanks!


post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by brecken99 View Post
If you "lower" a lifter (both toe and heel), how easy is it to decrease the size of the screws?
How organized are your parts bins? Do you have a pair of vise grips and a bench grinder? It isn't a big deal for a competent shop. Slightly annoying perhaps, but not difficult.

Yes, there is a fairly standard depth for binding screws in adult alpine skis. Don't worry about it, it isn't rocket surgery. Bring the bindings and skis to a shop and tell them you want them mounted without the lifts.

And yes, I agree that it is wiser to screw with ramp via the boot. I personally wouldn't sign a form passing a binding with its ramp fiddled with unless the OEM did it.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Re-read Garrett's post. He is talking about removing the lifter plates from the entire binding. The OP mentioned 'lift' as a 'con', Garrett mentioned it can be easily removed. He's correct.
He is indeed correct. But we're talking about something like a 9mm piece of plastic here. How much "worse" is the ski really going to perform with such a modest lift? Could you even notice it.

FWIW I have Pivot 10s on my TroubleMakers (78mm - no bending involved), with the lifters, and I love 'em. Nothing beats the feel of the turntable heel. They have never thrown me out by surprise, and they've kept me in many times when a lesser binding would have tossed me out. In each case I've recovered balance and skied off with a happy grin.
post #12 of 14
RE the screw length is very important. If you elect to remove the lifters and do not either grind down the screws or replace them with shorter versions, then you risk at a min. dimpling the bottom of the ski when you tighten down the now too long screws, or even risk coming out through the bottom completely. If you are not aware of that then as others have stated take them to a reputable shop and inform them of the fact that you would like the bindings mounted flat wo the risers and let them do the job.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies. I went to a shop and they had a TON of screws. I was able to cut the screws down to size (within 0.5mm accuracy) with boltcutters. Since the threads on bindings screws are "course" and not "fine", using boltcutters did not alter the threads at all...it's amazing.

And to close this thread, the shop guy informed me that 9mm is the standard screw penetration into the ski.
post #14 of 14
For an adult alpine ski with an adult alpine binding it is about that. Shorter for kids skis with junior norm bindings, ~7mm. Longer for some nordic stuff. Greater diameter for some tele stuff. Common drills for alpine gear are 3.5x7 (junior), 3.5x9 (adult no metal), 4.1x9 (adult with metal)
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