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Plate for Volkl P50DH

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hello,

I am a french guy (24yo), so sorry for my bad english :
Ask me for more information.

My problem :

I have some Volkl P50 DH 210cm with vist race 614 bindings (unmounted) but i have no plate, and i don't know witch plate can fit them.
Somebody tels me that tha Hangl plate will be good (but witch hangl plate???).
Somebody else says what about a vist world cup air pro 18mm, not too hard for these ski?

I am 5.7 ft and 130lbs (maybe 10 stones?)
Can you help me?
Thanks a lot!
post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by cravi View Post
Hello,

I am a french guy (24yo), so sorry for my bad english :
Ask me for more information.

My problem :

I have some Volkl P50 DH 210cm with vist race 614 bindings (unmounted) but i have no plate, and I don't know witch plate can fit them.
Somebody tels me that the Hangl plate will be good (but witch hangl plate???).
Somebody else says "what about a vist world cup air pro 18mm", not too hard for these ski?

I am 5'7" ft and 130lbs (maybe 10 stones?)
Can you help me?
Thanks a lot!
arghhhhh lot of mistakes in my first post...

No body can help me?
post #3 of 12
A vist plate should work if the skis are flat.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Flat means that there is no plate on the ski?
If its ok my skis are flat, yes.

You think that the world cup air pro should work or you think for a softer one?
many thanks.
post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by cravi View Post
Flat means that there is no plate on the ski?
If its ok my skis are flat, yes.

You think that the world cup air pro should work or you think for a softer one?
many thanks.
The air is the one with the floating heel, right?

I would suggest the V13....
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
The air is the one that has two blocks connected by an aluminum plate.

Why would you suggest the V13 (Why not the V18?) instead of the air?
could you explain?
thanks.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by cravi View Post
The air is the one that has two blocks connected by an aluminum plate.

Why would you suggest the V13 (Why not the V18?) instead of the air?
could you explain?
thanks.
Yes, the Air has the heel and toe connected by a narrow metal section - the heel floats on the ski, the toe is anchored at the boot tip.

I suggest the V13 because it's the lightest and softest flexing in the V series, only marginally heavier than the Air, but still gets the job done, as far as damping. The V series are anchored under the toe and heel of the binding, but float in the middle and ends, with the rubber insert between the two pieces. I feel this is a more natural feeling than something that floats in the heel. I've never skied the Air, but I have owned Fritchi Freerides and Atomics, which both float in the heal, and wasn't really a fan.

The V16 is thicker and heavier than the V13. The V14 and V18 are pretty much the same design, but slightly different in where the screws are, heavier too. If you want the added weight and height, by all means get the V18.

It also depends what you are going to do with this ski....if you're only skiing fast/racing with it, get a plate. If you're actually going to do all around freeskiing (old school style), mount flat or with a normal lifter.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
I bought these ski to try a downhill ski, just for my pleasure. I'll use them when there is nobody on the slope.
Usualy I have my dynastar speed course 64 and head supershape speed for carving. I'm sure I can't remember how to ski with old school style...lol

I'm not a racer (I'm not good enough), just a good skier how wants to take pleasure.

Do you think that my skis need a soft plate? The air is stiffer than the V series?
thanks
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by cravi View Post
I bought these ski to try a downhill ski, just for my pleasure. I'll use them when there is nobody on the slope.
Usualy I have my dynastar speed course 64 and head supershape speed for carving. I'm sure I can't remember how to ski with old school style...lol

I'm not a racer (I'm not good enough), just a good skier how wants to take pleasure.

Do you think that my skis need a soft plate? The air is stiffer than the V series?
thanks
The Air should be the softest flexing because the heel floats entirely, and it's only anchored at the toe (boot tip). The V13 will be somewhat (but not massively) stiffer, with better energy return.

I don't think the difference in stiffness is going to be much of a factor, DH skis are already pretty stiff, especially underfoot. But how bindings/plates change the flex under foot can still be somewhat noticeable.

Since you are light, if you think you will need help bending the ski, get the Air....if you can load up a ski well with very good technique, get the V13 because (IHMO) it has a more natural feel.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
The Air should be the softest flexing because the heel floats entirely, and it's only anchored at the toe (boot tip). The V13 will be somewhat (but not massively) stiffer, with better energy return.

I don't think the difference in stiffness is going to be much of a factor, DH skis are already pretty stiff, especially underfoot. But how bindings/plates change the flex under foot can still be somewhat noticeable.

Since you are light, if you think you will need help bending the ski, get the Air....if you can load up a ski well with very good technique, get the V13 because (IHMO) it has a more natural feel.
HS is right on here Cravi. That aluminum bridge really stiffens the flex and many times guys are cutting that thing. These are guys weighing close to 200# I might add so for your pleasure go with the two piece version.

- Fossil
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Flying Fossil View Post
HS is right on here Cravi. That aluminum bridge really stiffens the flex and many times guys are cutting that thing. These are guys weighing close to 200# I might add so for your pleasure go with the two piece version.

- Fossil
Hunnnn...the air plate shouldn't work if you cut the bridge.

I think the best thing to do is just read the catalog:

http://www.vist.it/cataloghi/catalogo-tp2.pdf

Pages 14 and 15 in the pdf explain how both these work...
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Yes I've allready read the vist catalog, They say that the V plate are good for ski knows as hard or for skier that are not good enough.

The air version without the aluminum plate is the worlcup race duo, only 2 bloks.

If I follow vist's advice I'll need the V version.
If I follow highway star's advice, V version too, but not for the same reasons.

hangl want me to drill some hole on the side of the skis (I don't like this).

www.skimann.de says me that world cup race duo will be good.

I think I'll take a V version maybe V16 or V18.
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